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fortdixlover
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| mikest wrote: | Since both Nixon and the FBI were folowing Kerry and looking for any way to discredit him, why didn't they try and charge him?
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Mikest, because they shared American values. What you described is how things work in North Korea, Cuba, the old Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Taliban Afghanistan, and other socialist paradises. They give political opponents a "fair trial" brimming with "social justice" before they line them up and shoot them.
By the way, the order you put things "try and charge him" is quite revealing about your ideas of justice. Trial first, charge later.
You can read more about your philosophy in the erudite legal novel "Alice in Wonderland." Sentence first--verdict afterwards!
Now...would you please refrain for ONE DAY from posting comedy at SwiftVets?
Thank you very much.
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 12:36 am Post subject: |
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May be a bit off the mark here, but I still say Uniform Code of Military Justice. Herein is where not one swinging d**k in the Military took the time to look, listen, or feel what ol' JFK was saying. Was he still in the Military? At the time was he active duty? Did anyone realize that we were all obligated (at the time) to 6 years of service. This was way before our now all volunteer force. Somewhere along the line ol' JFK forgot the words that he spoke during the enlistment ceremony, and a ceremony that wasn't attended by ol' JFK by himself. JFK got caught up in the antiwar movement (and oh what a movement), and decided that there, there is the way for him to improve his position because so many throughout the world hated the Vietnam war, and if any other Merican could protest so could J'theF'inK. Almost could be RATFINK! Anyway, his thinking he was going to save lives because he was the good ol' boy, flies in the face of anyone in the military that even cracked the book on the UCMJ, or the Code of Conduct. Let alone gonna get it gotta have it purple heart. Sheesh, it was our own ordinance for pete's sake.  |
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mikest
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| fortdixlover wrote: | | mikest wrote: | Since both Nixon and the FBI were folowing Kerry and looking for any way to discredit him, why didn't they try and charge him?
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Mikest, because they shared American values. What you described is how things work in North Korea, Cuba, the old Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Taliban Afghanistan, and other socialist paradises. They give political opponents a "fair trial" brimming with "social justice" before they line them up and shoot them.
By the way, the order you put things "try and charge him" is quite revealing about your ideas of justice. Trial first, charge later.
You can read more about your philosophy in the erudite legal novel "Alice in Wonderland." Sentence first--verdict afterwards!
Now...would you please refrain for ONE DAY from posting comedy at SwiftVets?
Thank you very much.
Best,
FDL |
My mistake. Try TO charge him.
So tell me coward, will you even attempt to answer just one of my questions? Are you such a pu*** that other than leading the charge for the 101st fighting keyboard brigade, you hide in your mothers basement. When you graduate high school, will you sign up? Or will you continue to post the tripe you have become famous for? |
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Marine4life
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Location: California
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 4:17 am Post subject: |
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mikey you can run but you can't hide, Marine wife got the denials of the past thread and see what mikey thinks of women. Page two is where it is at. He seem's to get pleasure out of disrespecting women, called my son's mother a B**ch with a capital C. We all know what he refers to by the capital C. He didn't serve and gets his jollies from denegrating women. You read it and you will see what a weak piece of doo doo he is. He thought I was a woman and aimed that at me but you get the jist of how he feels about women. No wonder he defends the islamic militants, they denegrate women as well. Regardless of how misinformed or misdirected he is I won't allow him to denegrate women in this manner without exposing him for the coward he is. I don't think that the other men on this site would appreciate him denegrating their children's mother either.
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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Sweep, sweep, sweep...
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sparky
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, and I forgot, Bush's people also started the rumour that McCain's wife was a drug addict.
The rumour of a black child of a prostitute was actually a question used by Bush's pollsters asking if the black baby might influence their vote. Fliers and leaflets also mentioned all of the above lies.
Sad that McCain had adopted a Bangladeshi girl from a Mother Theresa orphanage and raised her as his own. His reward? Being slandered by BushCorp Inc.
I don't see how anyone in any party could attempt to defend this kind of behavior. It's absolutely despicable. Doing so shows an utter lack of character, scruples and morality. |
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Keith
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: | Oh, and I forgot, Bush's people also started the rumour that McCain's wife was a drug addict.
The rumour of a black child of a prostitute was actually a question used by Bush's pollsters asking if the black baby might influence their vote. Fliers and leaflets also mentioned all of the above lies.
Sad that McCain had adopted a Bangladeshi girl from a Mother Theresa orphanage and raised her as his own. His reward? Being slandered by BushCorp Inc.
I don't see how anyone in any party could attempt to defend this kind of behavior. It's absolutely despicable. Doing so shows an utter lack of character, scruples and morality. |
Oops.. you also forgot to provide evidence of your claims. |
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PhuCat to Phu Quoc
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: | | Oh, and I forgot, Bush's people also started the rumour that McCain's wife was a drug addict. |
Got a news flash for you Sparky.
John McCain and wife Cindy McCain were not on Swift Boats.
That was John Kerry on Swift Boats, not John McCain, the same John Kerry that spoke at an event financed by among others, Hanoi Jane Fonda and Donald Sutherland on Sept. 4-7, 1970, the same event where John Kerry and Hanoi Jane were photographed together at Valley Forge, check here http://vikingphoenix.com/e2004/vietnamvetsagainstkerry.htm for more. John Kerry was the first speaker on the list, Hanoi Jane Fonda was number five, Hanoi Jane's boyfriend du jour, the genius Donald Sutherland was number six. John McCain and Cindy McCain were not there either. I believe that on that particular day, with his captors encouraged by antiwar protestors such as John Kerry, John McCain was recovering from a beating.
So Sparky, please do try to stay on topic. |
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sparky
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Ohhhh! I see how it works now! When an inconvenient point is brought up, all you have to do is point out how it doesn't relate to Swift Boats! Pretty clever.
Well, if you guys don't want to talk about Rove's dirty tricks, I can understand your reluctance. He's a real sleaze.
(But I'm sure that when you're trying to make a point defending Bush, we can't say " Got a news flash for you. George Bush was not on Swift Boats."
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Greenhat
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| mikest wrote: | Since both Nixon and the FBI were folowing Kerry and looking for any way to discredit him, why didn't they try and charge him?
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Why didn't they charge Jane Fonda? She clearly broke the laws of the United States by travelling to North Vietnam.
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Sweep, sweep, sweep....
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The funny thing is that you have no problem besmirching all whom with you disagree---Kerry and the membership of the VVAW---as traitors, frauds, paid liars, and dupes.
What's even funnier is that you yourself could have joined the VVAW and testified in Detroit, had you been so inclined.
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What's even funniest is your (cough cough) myopia as to the true nature and evolution of the VVAW. In its initial foray into the public sphere, the "RAW" march, it had already indicated a willingness, in fact, a desire, to associate itself with the radical left-wing. According to the recently released FBI files, it was the VVAW who actively solicited participation of the Yippies (Youth International Party) in that event,
| Quote: | Memo to FBI Director from NY Office
8/20/70
Page 2 of 5
Source advised that meeting of the YIP on (redacted)
(redacted) was concerned with plans for the participation of
members of the YIP in Operation Raw. It was determined that
the sponsors of Operation Raw had approached the YIP to
participate in the action as the "Vietcong" in mock military
skirmishes on the march from Morristown, New Jersey, to Valley
Forge, Pennsylvania, during September 4-7, 1970. The YIP
has agreed to participate in that capacity. It is not known
at this time the number of the YIP who will take part but
those that do so will have to dress in black pajamas in order
to portray the "Vietcong." The participating YIP members from
NYC will travel from Valley Forge to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,
on September 7, 1970, for the final day of the constitutional
convention sponsored by the Black Panther Party (BPP).
FBI Documents p. 92 of 236 |
and its evolution was all downhill from there...from Fonda, to WinterSoldier, to Dewey Canyon, to the ultimate despicable treasonous conversations in Kansas City.
And YOUR BOY was in the thick of it, almost from day one, quickly promoting himself to a leadership position to suck out every bit of political capital he could...like the self-promoting parasite that he is.
And, when the TRUE agenda of VVAW had become so blatant as to even ENTERTAIN the notion of political assassination of AMERICAN leadership, threatening his OWN political viability, he ran like the calculating opportunist that he is, just like he RAN from his commitment to his country and his comrades in Vietnam.
I wonder, did the VVAW have a "3 Red Hearts and you're out" policy he could pervert and manipulate as well? |
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Sweep, sweep, sweep...
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Me too. I can't wait to see the 'back-peddling' on this one.
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You want "back-peddling" Speedy? Here's some "back-peddling" for you...IN SPADES.
| Quote: | Kerry hedges on '71 KC meeting
By SCOTT CANON The Kansas City Star
March 20, 2004
Confronted with 32-year-old FBI records, Sen. John Kerry's campaign all but conceded he attended a 1971 Kansas City meeting where a fellow anti-war veteran called for political assassinations.
Those active in Vietnam Veterans Against the War at the time stress that the suggestion for such a violent approach was angrily rejected. They say their memories do not include Kerry taking part in the radical discussion.
A statement Thursday by Kerry's camp said the Massachusetts Democrat did not recall the meeting, although FBI surveillance material and the group's archives clearly show that Kerry resigned from his national coordinator post at that November 1971 meeting.
In interviews last week, the senator's campaign insisted that the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee clearly remembered bolting from the group months earlier.
Responding to a request by The Kansas City Star that staffers question the candidate about the meeting, Kerry passed word March 12 that he “never, ever” attended a meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the War after a heated and public argument with the group's executive secretary in St. Louis in June 1971.
In a prepared statement late Thursday night, however, campaign spokesman David Wade, traveling with the candidate in Idaho, said: “John Kerry had no personal recollection of this meeting 33 years ago. John Kerry does recall the disagreements with elements of VVAW leadership…that led to his resignation.
“If there are valid FBI surveillance reports from credible sources that place some of those disagreements in Kansas City, we accept that historical footnote in the account of his work to end the difficult and divisive war.”
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Gerald Nicosia, author of Home to War: A History of the Vietnam Veterans Movement, obtained records that the FBI kept on Vietnam Veterans Against the War throughout much of the group's history. In poring over the records this week, Nicosia found reports stating that Kerry's resignation was accepted at the Kansas City meeting amid a heated confrontation with the group's executive secretary, Al Hubbard.
In a brief interview, Wade said last week's denial stemmed from Kerry's failure to remember the Kansas City meeting and the campaign's reliance on Home to War and two other books that all suggest he quit before November.
After new evidence emerged this week, however, the campaign spokesman said Kerry simply mistook his recollection of the Kansas City meeting for the one in St. Louis in June 1971 — when records show Kerry was re-elected to the organization's executive committee despite growing resentment toward his celebrity and his push for moderation.
Last week, John Hurley, an organizer of veteran volunteers for Kerry's presidential run, called two men who were quoted in The Star as recalling Kerry attending the Kansas City meeting. John Musgrave of Baldwin City, Kan., said Hurley called him twice and in the second conversation asked the disabled veteran to contact the newspaper reporter to say he had doubts about the memory.
“He said, ‘I'd like you to consider that before that article comes out call him and tell him you were wrong,' ” said Musgrave, who has expressed disappointment with Kerry's position on issues regarding prisoners of war.
Hurley said Friday he believed last week Musgrave was simply mistaken.
“I asked him to be very sure of his recollection, not to change his recollection,” Hurley said. “I would apologize to John Musgrave if he thought in any way I was pressuring him.”
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Barnes of Kansas City first said he remembered Kerry attending the meeting and then, after talking about it with members of the campaign staff, said he could not be sure whether the budding politician was there. He also recalled the 1971 discussion of Camil's idea as a significant disruption to the Kansas City meeting.
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Speedy
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Me#1You#10 wrote: | Sweep, sweep, sweep...
| Speedy wrote: |
Me too. I can't wait to see the 'back-peddling' on this one.
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You want "back-peddling" Speedy? Here's some "back-peddling" for you...IN SPADES. |
If a swifty didn't write the article(s)...then it's suspect 
Where's your proof to back up your claims??? 
btw: Kerry the man, is sheep dip.
I am just defending his service and rights upon return |
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Sweep, sweep, sweep....
| sparky wrote: | It might sound trite, but I do believe those vets who committed atrocities came out more mentally healthy when they acknowledged their wrongs and worked at productively overcoming the shame and guilt.
To not do so leads to a very unhealthy denial and healing in those instances can never occur. |
Precisely sparky...that's why we're all optimistic and hopeful for your own personal metamorphosis into sentient, anti-Lurch thought. Why do you think they let you and your cabal troll all over this board? We wuv you Sparky...we weally wuv you. |
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Sweep, sweep, sweep...
| factchecker wrote: | There was a claim in the original thread under this topic that North Vietnamese General Giap had said that anti-war comments by Walter Cronkite and/or VVAW (and possibly John Kerry) had made the North Vietnamese reconsider surrender plans that they had allegedly started to make.
This claim is false:
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It may be false, but that's not what the writer stated.
| Quote: | | I did research that convinced me no such volume exists. For that matter, I haven't been able to verify through Fox News that Colonel North actually made the comments he is said to have made and which I repeated. My apologies to Colonel North and to WashingtonDispatch.com readers for including inadequately verified material in my piece on Kerry." |
False or not, he does go on to state...
| Quote: | | America never suffered a military defeat in Vietnam. The infamous 1968 Tet Offensive resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of enemy troops (for those of you who don't remember, "enemy" refers to North Vietnamese troops and not, as Kerry and the media of the time tried to convince us, American troops). As Victor Davis Hansen has recounted in The American Legion Magazine (September, 2003) North Vietnamese Commander General Vo Nguyen Giap told a French television interviewer that "his most important guerrilla ally during the war was the America press." |
...and we all know what that opportunistic liar was feeding the press for distribution. |
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