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Speedy
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| sparky wrote: | You've been punked!  |
PhuCat to Phu Quoc, do you like apples?
How'd ya like them apples?
Bush was a draft-dodger.
I hope he wins the election, but he was still a DD. |
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sparky
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Now he's going to say he never did like Colin Powell. It beats saying "I'm easily suckered." |
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Keith
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: | | I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well placed ... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units. Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country. |
"I am saddened by the fact that Vietnam has yet again been inserted into the campaign, and that it has been inserted in what I feel to be the worst possible way. By that I mean that yesterday, during this Presidential campaign , and even throughout recent times, Vietnam has been discussed and written about without an adequate statement of its full meaning.
What is missing is a recognition that there exists today a generation that has come into its own with powerful lessons learned, with a voice that has been grounded in experiences both of those who went to Vietnam and those who did not.
What is missing and what cries out to be said is that neither one group nor the other from that difficult period of time has cornered the market on virtue or rectitude or love of country.
The race for the White House should be about leadership, and leadership requires that one help heal the wounds of Vietnam , not reopen them; that one help identify the positive things that we learned about ourselves and about our Nation, not play to the divisions and differences of that crucible of our generation.
We do not need to divide America over who served and how. I have personally always believed that many served in many different ways. Someone who was deeply against the war in 1969 or 1970 may well have served their country with equal passion and patriotism by opposing the war as by fighting in it. Are we now, 20 years or 30 years later, to forget the difficulties of that time, of families that were literally torn apart, of brothers who ceased to talk to brothers, of fathers who disowned their sons, of people who felt compelled to leave the country and forget their own future and turn against the will of their own aspirations?
Are we now going to create a new scarlet letter in the context of Vietnam ?
But while those who served are owed special recognition, that recognition should not come at the expense of others; nor does it require that others be victimized or criticized or said to have settled for a lesser standard. To divide our party or our country over this issue today... simply does not do justice to what all of us went through during that tragic and turbulent time.
I would like to make a simple and straightforward appeal, an appeal from my heart, as well as from my head. To all those currently pursuing the Presidency in both parties, I would plead that they simply look at America. We are a nation crying out for leadership, for someone who will bring us together and raise our sights. We are a nation looking for someone who will lift our spirits and give us confidence that together we can grow out of this recession and conquer the myriad of social ills we have at home.
We do not need more division. We certainly do not need something as complex and emotional as Vietnam reduced to simple campaign rhetoric. What has been said has been said... but I hope and pray we will put it behind us and go forward in a constructive spirit for the good of ...our country. "
Any guess who said this? |
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fortdixlover
Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Keith wrote: |
The race for the White House should be about leadership, and leadership requires that one help heal the wounds of Vietnam , not reopen them; that one help identify the positive things that we learned about ourselves and about our Nation, not play to the divisions and differences of that crucible of our generation. |
People, like it or now, this race for the White House will be about survival of Western freedom, and the people who practice it, in the face of a growing worldwide nihilistic fascism. The election will be a referendum on self-preservation via strength (Bush) or self-preservation by talk (Kerry).
Any other considerations are indulgences. Like it or not, that is the world as we find it today.
Failure to Recognise what's Important
Example: My house is on fire! Quick, call the post office and tell them to hold my mail!
Example: Islamofascists with atom bombs will kill us all! Quick, call the New York Times and tell them some Iraqi Saddamite thugs were led around naked on a leash by a woman soldier!
| Keith wrote: | | Any guess who said this? |
John Kerry, 1992. |
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Keith
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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John Kerry, 1992. |
Ding ding ding ding... we have a winner. Was kind of hoping sparky would guess though  |
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PhuCat to Phu Quoc
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 1:08 am Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: | Actually, that quote was from Colin Powell...verbatim. Specifically page 148 of the hardcover edition of Powell's 1995 autobiography "My American Journey":
As a Vietnam vet, Powell speaks with great authority. Address your bullcrap about the Port Huron Statement or Oliver Stone's soundtrack to him.
You've been punked! |
Actually, I feel like I've just read something written by a pimply, drug addled teenager who is covered with multiple body piercings and tattoos and got everything he knows about Vietnam and the military life from books, movies, video games and radical teachers.
You must be a lifetime civilian to be so impressed with Colin Powell. For the rest of us, Colin Powell puts on his pants the same way as we do. When it comes to being a Vietnam War vet, Colin Powell speaks with the same authority as other Vietnam War vets, no more, no less; and because of who he is now, Powell gets the book deals, the headlines and the microphones shoved in his face, most of us with opinions contrary to his don't have that opportunity.
On the other hand, I would say Colin Powell speaks with considerably more authority about Desert Storm than most Vietnam War veterans ever will. |
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Scott
Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 3:28 am Post subject: |
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On the other other hand, I could quote from David Hackworth, but I don't think it would be germane to this forum.
WTG, PhuCat to Phu Quoc.
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sparky
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | You must be a lifetime civilian to be so impressed with Colin Powell |
Just as I predicted! |
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Scott
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Dear Sparky:
With all due respect I am also a lifetime civilian, and I think highly of Colin Powell, and you and I don't agree.
So what? |
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PhuCat to Phu Quoc
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: | | Quote: | | You must be a lifetime civilian to be so impressed with Colin Powell |
Just as I predicted! |
Sparky, where did you predict anything that is even remotely related to my observation that "You must be a lifetime civilian to be so impressed with Colin Powell? |
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Speedy
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 5:04 am Post subject: PUNK'd |
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| PhuCat to Phu Quoc wrote: |
Actually, I feel like I've just read something written by a pimply, drug addled teenager who is covered with multiple body piercings and tattoos and got everything he knows about Vietnam and the military life from books, movies, video games and radical teachers. |
Just like you predicted, Sparky |
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sparky
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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PhuCat to Phu Quoc, I predicted this:
"Now he's going to say he never did like Colin Powell. It beats saying "I'm easily suckered."
You then went on to say about the Powell quote, "Actually, I feel like I've just read something written by a pimply, drug addled teenager who is covered with multiple body piercings and tattoos and got everything he knows about Vietnam and the military life from books, movies, video games and radical teachers."
Frankly, I found the Powell quote very eloquent. |
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PhuCat to Phu Quoc
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| Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: | PhuCat to Phu Quoc, I predicted this:
"Now he's going to say he never did like Colin Powell. It beats saying "I'm easily suckered."
You then went on to say about the Powell quote, "Actually, I feel like I've just read something written by a pimply, drug addled teenager who is covered with multiple body piercings and tattoos and got everything he knows about Vietnam and the military life from books, movies, video games and radical teachers." |
| sparky wrote: | | You then went on to say about the Powell quote, |
Whoops! There's where you got yourself confused. I wrote it about you, not about Colin Powell or the quote from his book. Your future in making accurate predictions does not look very bright.
Because, choosing between you and Colin Powell, I've always liked Colin Powell, an honorable man and a Vietnam War veteran, quite a difference.
Because you wrote this;
| sparky wrote: | | You've been punked! |
I wrote this, "Actually, I feel like I've just read something written by a pimply, drug addled teenager who is covered with multiple body piercings and tattoos and got everything he knows about Vietnam and the military life from books, movies, video games and radical teachers." And I'm standing by that. |
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fortdixlover
Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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| Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| Keith wrote: | | fortdixlover wrote: |
John Kerry, 1992. |
Ding ding ding ding... we have a winner. Was kind of hoping sparky would guess though |
Sparky doesn't guess. He is a God, so he only states Truths. He gets those truths from the House of God, namely, the Ministry of Truth a.k.a. the DNC. |
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sparky
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| Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Step 1: I quote Powell verbatim without revealing the source
Step 2: You immediately dismiss that quote as follows:
| Quote: | | Too bad this web site doesn't have sound effects Sparky, you could have added the strains of Kumbaya or something like that in here, plus a hammer and sickle flag waving in the background, I do love class warfare. |
Step 3: I point out the source (Powell) and predict that you're going to start dismissing Powell
Step 4: You start dismissing Powell:
| Quote: | | You must be a lifetime civilian to be so impressed with Colin Powell. For the rest of us, Colin Powell puts on his pants the same way as we do |
Yeah, I AM impressed with Powell. Besides McCain, he's about the only genuine hero leading your party. And rather than dismiss him, you should consider what he had to say about Chicken Hawks without thinking of a soundtrack to an Oliver Stone movie, ivory towers, hammer and sickles, and the Port Huron Statement. |
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