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[rbshirley]

[Curt]

I agree with you rbshirley. But it really burns my butt to see that some people think some of these issues reflect on other vets. I see no other vets wanting praise from vietnam or a pat on the back. Which we all share our gratefulness. But you have someone like Kerry, that comes home early and labels vets that were still dying and held prisoners. Not to mention the fact that he helped put hatred in the publics eye for the vets receiption back to the US when the war was over. It really hurts me to see people forget real easy.

Curt

[Steve Z]

I agree with all those who served honorably that it's a question of HONOR that a man who wrote himself up for medals and filmed himself so he could be a "war hero", then trashed real war heros before the Senate, should never be elected President.

I'm not sure whether the non-veteran public (especially women) cares whether or not Kerry was really a good soldier, but they WILL care about his lies before the Senate in 1971, and maybe we could focus on what he might do to Iraq or Afghanistan if elected President, after what he did to South Vietnam through lies and propaganda for the enemy.

I'm wondering if the Kerry strategy right now is to challenge the Bush campaign to a debate about Vietnam (because Bush doesn't really have much to say since he wasn't there) and try to bury the issue until September 2, after which SBVT won't be able to run TV ads. Which is why they nitpick on things like whether there was enemy fire when Thurlow go his award, since "official" Navy records written by Kerry appear to confirm Kerry's stories. Kerry might end up slightly down in the polls by then, but if there are no more SBVT ads for two months, and the media bury the Vietnam issue, the debate will be between Kerry and Bush, not with SBVT.

I really believe that SBVT needs to hit Kerry hard NOW, before Sept 2, so that Kerry will be so far down in the polls that he can't come back only by attacking Bush. We need an ad campaign in BIG swing states, especially PA and FL--Kerry can't win if he loses those two as well as OH and WV, where SBVT ads have run. Florida has lots of military people, as well as lots of retired people old enough to remember Kerry's 1971 testimony.

Mort Kondracke hit on something HUGE on Fox News' Beltway Boys at 6 PM EDT on 8/21/04: He read in "Unfit for Command" about the sampan incident (pages 53-5, and said that the book labels Kerry as a "baby killer" (OUCH!!!) and that Kerry "needs to answer these charges".

I'm not sure how many people will read the book, but maybe an ad that repeats Kerry's testimony about "shooting civilians" and "razing villages", followed by Garner's telling about the sampan incident (briefly) and Bates telling how Kerry shot pigs and chickens and torched a village (page 62)would be VERY effective!

Who knows, maybe even PETA will turn against Kerry for that one!
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The traitor will crater!

[mjanay]

I said it in another post that the SBVT need to start equating past to present.

I hope that is happening.

Equate Kerry's talks with the communists in Paris to his claims that he can work with our allies today. That is not the DIPLOMACY that we need in wartime!

Show him on the senate floor claiming he was in Cambodia and then show him saying how he will be a President who won't lie to the american people.

Call him on the carpet to FINALLY and UNEQUIVOCALLY state he LIED to the Fullbright commission about war crimes. Its about trust.

CHALLENGE him to release his records. What does he have to hide?

The last two can be done with press releases and conferences and internet e-mailing. They don't need a TV commercial to get the point across. 78% of the country know who the SBVT are!!

His SS and BS are losing points, they are matters of opinion (no one disputes that sometimes these medals are given as much to boost company morale as for the acts) and having his CO's that issued them change their view (with good reason, but nonetheless) hurts the SBVT credibility. Hammering home that Kerry claims 2 tours in Vietnam when the first is a few weeks on the Gridley and the second is 4 months with three PH's for wounds that my 2 year old wouldn't cry over is a strong case.

Is that 2 tours in Vietnam? Depends on what your definition of "is" is.

[Bill Levinson]

[rb325th]

Kerry has based his entire campaign on his time on Swift Boats in Vietnam. He has derided his detractors of his record by shoving it in their face, Kerry made his time in Vietnam an issue, noone else!
The fact that there are more holes in his stories about that time than a slice of Swiss Cheese is not in doubt. It is absolutely legitimate to question his comments and actions, especially by those who were there at the same time in the same place.
Now Kerry and his actions Post Vietnam are never brought up by his Campaign for good reason also. They are too easily verified and thouroughly documented. While they have tried to spin some of it, it has been weak and unconvincing, as has been shown in the polls.
Today I watched John O'Neill absolutely make a fool of the DNC attack dog Podesta, who was totaly inneffectual in countering any of the facts put forth.
Yes, question Kerrys time in Vietnam, question his post Vietnam Activities! He wants to portray himself as fit to Command the Country on his brief time in Vietnam, then he should be prepared to face the scrutiny of that record!
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U.S. Army 1983-1995, 11C1P/11H2P NBTDT

[rbshirley]

[Polaris]

Everyone,

I am not a lawyer, but about a week ago the 2 Sep issue came up. It is my understanding that SBVT has been formed in such a way that it has a waiver of this 2 Sep deadline. If the Dems are counting on SBVT to go off the air after 2 Sep, they may be in for a very rude suprise.
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-Polaris

Truth is Beauty

[minnie presley]

they are reporting that200,000 vets have come to kerry,s aid since the ad, does anyone have any info on who they are

[Curt]

Where did you get that info?

[Bill Levinson]