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jalexson
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| gkdechow wrote: | Maybe the question that Kerry's crew were answering was "were you receiving fire" and the question should have been "were you still receiving fire after Kerry fled (or at lease "took a little cruise" 3 miles down river), finally figured one of the people on the boat had fallen off and went the three miles back to pick him up?"
I can't believe that all of these guys are willing to outright "LIE" for this arrogant self serving SOB. It's, once again, dependent on what the difination of "is" is |
It's not unusual for people who serve closely together in dangerous situations to form bonds allowing them to lie for each other. This process is one reason police corruption is difficult to investigate. Honest officers will lie to help the dishonest ones.
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jalexson
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 6:20 am Post subject: Re: 13 Mar... |
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| Tom Poole wrote: |
Finally, here's a different version from Kerry.
This is a little short of the "5,000 meters (or was it "metres") of fire" claimed in one of Kerry's descriptions. As posted elsewhere in this web site, Rassmann told one of his Green Beret Special Forces buddies who spoke out, "zip it." Additionally, now we know why most of the rest of his buddies haven't rushed to his side. (Edited to include China Daily and Seattle Times quotes) |
This account and others imply that Kerry was only using one arm to pull Rassmann up with. So why didn't he use the arm that wasn't injured? I know he only was a Lt(jg) but he should have had some common sense.
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sevry
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: 13 Mar... |
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| jalexson wrote: |
This account and others imply that Kerry was only using one arm to pull Rassmann up with. So why didn't he use the arm that wasn't injured? I know he only was a Lt(jg) but he should have had some common sense.
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Depends on which account, right? Good arm, 'bad' arm', I think it was both. And Del was sure he was bleeding all over, on all fours, with the entire NVA shooting at them from shore. Mines exploding everywhere. Why ddn't Del mention the tactical nukes and the archangel hovering overhead? I don't know if this is one of the charges. But if the Navy starts looking into the substance of the 13 MAR accounts, damage reports and claims against those, and so on, Kerry could be in more trouble than he is now. |
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jrsdad
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Joined: 20 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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I think which arm is immaterial. The various accounts I have read pretty much indicate it was his good arm (note the exact wording of the citation merely says "his arm bleeding and in pain", not that he used that arm). Most other accounts specify he used his good arm.
The significant thing is that the one, uncontrovertable element which proves that the citation is inaccurate is the description of his arm bleeding. If you read Elliot's recommendation, it mentions a "painful wound" but no bleeding.
Whoever wrote up the actual citation embellished. Yet Team Kerry's claim is that the citations speak for themselves, and they produce them as proof Kerry "deserved" the awards. One proven inaccuracy of a substantive nature is enough to impeach the veracity of the entire citation, requiring some form of independent substantiation for critical elements. |
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ASPB
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I'll just point out one thing from the Casrep. Contusion (minor)
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jrsdad
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| ASPB wrote: | | I'll just point out one thing from the Casrep. Contusion (minor) |
Exactly! 
That's really what I was alluding to as the one clear discrepancy. Going back over my post I see how it seems I'm saying the discrepancy is between the citation and the recommendation (which is also true). The real issue is that the "contusion (minor)" is not a bleeding wound. Thus the citation cannot be taken as "proof" because it is, on the face of it, inaccurate. |
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