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Me#1You#10
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| KeithNolan wrote: | Someone called the testimony of the VVAW into question by noting that its members generally refused to cooperate with the CID and NIS. This individual neglected to mention the philosophical underpinning to the VVAW's refusal to cooperate with the government. The VVAW believed that the war crimes were committed as policy and wanted people like General Westmoreland to answer for what went on during, say, some of the more vicious search-and-destroy operations conducted between 1966-68. They didn't want the crimes dumped on the heads of a few scapegoats---the way the battalion-sized outrage at My Lai was dumped on the thick skull of a single lieutenant named Calley.
I don't agree with the VVAW view, but I can understand it. I should also point out that a small handful of VVAW members did, in fact, cooperate with the CID and NIS and name names, units, dates, locations, etc. As one might expect, the resulting investigations devolved into he-said-she-said arguments where nothing could be proven. Certainly no charges were filed.
The CID and the NIS were not in the business of proving war crimes back in 1971. Nothing could have been more politically disastrous for the Nixon administration, which was expending much time and effort to trash the VVAW.
The fact that the CID basically shelved the investigation into the Tiger Force kinda proves the point. There were guys in the Tiger Force who would have been executed had they done what they did in WWII instead of Vietnam. Instead, the rapists and mass-murderers in the Tiger Force all got a free pass from the CID because no one in the chain of command wanted to open the kind of can of worms that would have been required to prosecute those former Screaming Eagles.
Anyway, the VVAW didn't have any faith in the military or government to investigate war crimes in Vietnam. How does this prove that they were frauds?
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Where's page 1 of Kerry's fitness report from Coastal 13? |
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Greenhat
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| KeithNolan wrote: |
The CID and the NIS were not in the business of proving war crimes back in 1971. |
Unless it involved Phoenix and Special Forces Officers?
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Speedy
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| Me#1You#10 wrote: | Sweep, sweep, sweep...
Where's page 1 of Kerry's fitness report from Coastal 13? |
The KGB shredded it for him |
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| Speedy wrote: |
The KGB shredded it for him |
Perhaps you won't be so amusingly glib if and when the media picks up on this story. |
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 3:10 am Post subject: |
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You want me to address the issue of John Kerry speaking with members of the communist delegation in Paris during the peace negotiations. Like I've said, I don't really know much about this meeting. Barring the release of a tape-recording of Kerry's discussion with the communist delegation, I don't think any of us really know much about what went on in Paris. |
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Speedy
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| Me#1You#10 wrote: | | Speedy wrote: |
The KGB shredded it for him |
Perhaps you won't be so amusingly glib if and when the media picks up on this story. |
What? that he was working for the KGB 
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Yup. The buck stops elsewhere with George W. Bush. He's never responsible for anything that happens on his watch.
No siree! |
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Hesiod wrote: | | Me#1You#10 wrote: | | Keep the focus folks...don't respond to troll bait. |
Focus on what? Paranoid rantings?
Get a grip on reality folks. Our country is in trouble, and you are contemplating the Naval. (pun intended). |
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Hesiod wrote: | While officials of the FBI and the Justice Department of the US were telling citizens this week to prepare for possible terrorist attacks over the summer (although Thursday there appeared to be some confusion among US officials over those warnings), a well-known strategic think tank and two human rights organizations were questioning the direction and value of the US-led war on terror. They alleged that the war was actually leading to increased terrorism around the world.
Early in the week, the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), a London-based think tank, released its annual survey of world affairs. The Associated Press reports that the IISS claims that, far from being undermined by the war on terror, Al Qaeda "has more than 18,000 potential terrorists scattered around the world and the war in Iraq is swelling its ranks."
<quote>Driving the terror network out of Afghanistan in late 2001 appears to have benefited the group, which dispersed to many countries, making it almost invisible and hard to combat, the report said. The US occupation of Iraq brought Al Qaeda recruits from across Islamic nations, the study said. Up to 1,000 foreign Islamic fighters have infiltrated Iraqi territory, where they are cooperating with Iraqi insurgents.</quote>
IISS researcher Christopher Langton told reporters that it could take up to 500,000 US and allied troops to effectively police Iraq and restore political stability. And Knight-Ridder News Service carries the IISS claim that Al Qaeda continues its efforts to find material to make a nuclear or 'dirty' bomb. (See "Terror's chill summer wind," in The Christian Science Monitor.)
The Sydney Morning Herald reports that the institute's assessment of Iraq was widely accepted by many security experts, even if "its numbers on Al Qaeda are doubted by some." But whatever Al Qaeda's numerical strength is, the paper continues, it has shown that it has "regained its ability to carry out terrorist attacks, and its determination to do so."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0528/dailyUpdate.html
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/27/1085641646529.html
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/news/editorial/8774233.htm
http://washingtontimes.com/world/20040525-093748-8557r.htm
http://www.iiss.org/home.php |
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Speedy wrote: | | I am auctioning off page 1 of Kerry's fitness report on EBAY |
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Speedy
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Me#1You#10 wrote: | Sweep, sweep, sweep...
| Speedy wrote: | | I am auctioning off page 1 of Kerry's fitness report on EBAY |
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I thought you would like that one #1-#10 :  |
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| KeithNolan wrote: | | One more thing.I understand that the Kerry-bashers are now floating the idea that a missing page in Kerry's military records will prove that he committed war crimes soon after arriving in Vietnam. |
Strawman (or is that Red Herring...or both?)
Do you acknowledge that there is a page missing?
Oh, and by the way, he LEFT soon after arriving in Vietnam. |
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sparky
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| #1-10 reminds me of stroke victims with a limited vocabulary. In his case, his mutedness limits him to the word "sweep," repeated three times. Sadly, this is due to limited comprehension, not the ability to pronounce. |
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Me#1You#10
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| sparky wrote: | | #1-10 reminds me of stroke victims with a limited vocabulary. In his case, his mutedness limits him to the word "sweep," repeated three times. Sadly, this is due to limited comprehension, not the ability to pronounce. |
Why Sparky, how nice of you to pop-in.
Are you here to explain why Kerry buried Page 1 of LCDR Streuli's fitness report on Kerry's tenure with Coastal 13 in Cat Lo?
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Greenhat
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| Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| Hesiod wrote: | While officials of the FBI and the Justice Department of the US were telling citizens this week to prepare for possible terrorist attacks over the summer (although Thursday there appeared to be some confusion among US officials over those warnings), a well-known strategic think tank and two human rights organizations were questioning the direction and value of the US-led war on terror. They alleged that the war was actually leading to increased terrorism around the world.
Early in the week, the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), a London-based think tank, released its annual survey of world affairs. The Associated Press reports that the IISS claims that, far from being undermined by the war on terror, Al Qaeda "has more than 18,000 potential terrorists scattered around the world and the war in Iraq is swelling its ranks."
<quote>Driving the terror network out of Afghanistan in late 2001 appears to have benefited the group, which dispersed to many countries, making it almost invisible and hard to combat, the report said. The US occupation of Iraq brought Al Qaeda recruits from across Islamic nations, the study said. Up to 1,000 foreign Islamic fighters have infiltrated Iraqi territory, where they are cooperating with Iraqi insurgents.</quote>
IISS researcher Christopher Langton told reporters that it could take up to 500,000 US and allied troops to effectively police Iraq and restore political stability. And Knight-Ridder News Service carries the IISS claim that Al Qaeda continues its efforts to find material to make a nuclear or 'dirty' bomb. (See "Terror's chill summer wind," in The Christian Science Monitor.)
The Sydney Morning Herald reports that the institute's assessment of Iraq was widely accepted by many security experts, even if "its numbers on Al Qaeda are doubted by some." But whatever Al Qaeda's numerical strength is, the paper continues, it has shown that it has "regained its ability to carry out terrorist attacks, and its determination to do so."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0528/dailyUpdate.html
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/27/1085641646529.html
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/news/editorial/8774233.htm
http://washingtontimes.com/world/20040525-093748-8557r.htm
http://www.iiss.org/home.php |
Hmmmm.. must be why terrorist attacks are at the lowest level since 1969
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