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		| Me#1You#10 Site Admin
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:05 pm    Post subject: Steve Gardner Interview 10/2 - WEZS - Archive! |   |  
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				| Steve Gardner appeared on "The Advocates" radio program with Niel Young on WEZS, New Hampshire. Program streamed from 8-10AM EDT and is now archived for replay. 
 Thanks to Niel Young and WEZS!
 
 http://www.wezs.com/advocates.shtml
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		| Navy_Navy_Navy Admin
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 2:39 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I hope everyone gets a chance to hear this one before the station removes it from their archives. 
 The gloves are off.
 
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		| no_1_momlandj Ensign
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:40 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| WOW!!  Very powerful!! |  | 
	
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		| azpatriot Senior Chief Petty Officer
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 5:30 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: |  	  | I hope everyone gets a chance to hear this one before the station removes it from their archives. 
 The gloves are off.
 
 My respect for these Swiftee dudes grows by the day.
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 Nope Not gonna get lost from the archive Navy3
   I successfully downloaded this and have it as a playable file for windows media player.
 
 You can download it from this link Steve Gardner
 
 Just right click and save as
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				|  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 5:36 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Hey, thank you, az! That's great! 
 Would you add this link to the Swifts' Audio/Video thread in the R&R forum?
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		| Stevie Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:27 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| wow, I just listened to steve!  that was great ... maybe he'll come out here. az  - I'm  gonna call our local VFW on Monday and see if they'll call him to speak here.   I'll have to figure out how to 'save' that clip. _________________
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		| igor Seaman Apprentice
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 7:02 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: |  	  | I hope everyone gets a chance to hear this one before the station removes it from their archives. 
 The gloves are off.
 
 My respect for these Swiftee dudes grows by the day.
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 The gloves are truely off.
 
 from WaPo - http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A2975-2004Oct2?language=printer
 
  	  | Quote: |  	  | "Don't you remember, Bill? That was Latch, that was Roy Hoffmann," replied McCall. "You mean the guy who's criticizing Kerry for war crimes is the only one who ordered me to commit one?" Means said.
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		| Wynne Lieutenant
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:30 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I listened to the interview with Steve Gardner late last night and was very moved by it. Moved to do something! He says there will be one Swift Boat Vet and one POW for each state, on a speaking tour during the next 30 days and they are willing to speak to any group that will invite them. 
 I would like to help this effort. But I need pointing in the right direction: What kinds of groups should I contact? VFW? Other Veterans' Groups? Anybody else? The media? And what information can I give them in asking them to have a Swift Vet and POW come and talk to their group? And then, if they are interested, how do I put them in touch with the Swift Boat Vet and POW for my state?
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		| MJB LCDR
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:31 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Wow - excellent interview!! 
 I haven't seen it claimed before that John Kerry had a DIShonorable discharge - which was changed by Bill Clinton. Any proof? Did we discuss this on a different thread? Why would he have had a dishonorable?
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		| Me#1You#10 Site Admin
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:42 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | MJB wrote: |  	  | Wow - excellent interview!! 
 I haven't seen it claimed before that John Kerry had a DIShonorable discharge - which was changed by Bill Clinton. Any proof? Did we discuss this on a different thread? Why would he have had a dishonorable?
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 If he said that, Steve may be in error on that point. I believe Kerry has a DD214 showing an honorable discharge in '78.  Looking for it now.
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				|  Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:00 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Quote: |  	  | claimed before that John Kerry had a DIShonorable discharge | 
 yup, Steve said it.
 
 Theories on the freeper site, as to why Kerry wont sign the 180
 are that there may have been a recommendation in his file for
 dishonorable.
 
 If so, imagine it had to be about the Paris meetings
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		| Navy_Navy_Navy Admin
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:58 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Actually he said something very close to, "Did you know that it's possible that John Kerry probably had a dishonorable discharge in his record?" 
 The host asked, "Well, how would you go about changing that?"
 
 And Steve said, with a laugh - "Well, you'd probably have to ask Clinton"
 
 There is so much speculation partly because of some of the documentation which has appeared and then disappeared from Kerry's own site, and because Kerry has refused to sign the form 180 and allow an independent examination of his records.
 
 But speculation is also rife because there are ways of getting copies of things in Washington, DC if you have the right connections.
 
 People NOT associated with Swifts were the first to put out these murmurings of a less-than-honorable discharge and to speculate as to the "why's" - but it may be that these people have passed along their information to the folks most likely to be able to get their story out. So far, only Swifts has had the kind of impact that any other grassroots movement was aiming for.
 
 I'm speculating, here, myself. I don't know any more than anyone else and I learned a long time ago not to believe everything that I read on the internet. The tin foil hat crowd is particularly drawn to all these pixels. (Usually in lime green and tomato red text on a black background with hideous midi background music.
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 But, when the same allegations are coming from so many different directions, it's hard not to wonder if maybe there's fire behind all the smoke.
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				|  Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:46 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: |  	  | Actually he said something very close to, "Did you know that it's possible that John Kerry probably had a dishonorable discharge in his record?" 
 The host asked, "Well, how would you go about changing that?"
 
 And Steve said, with a laugh - "Well, you'd probably have to ask Clinton"
 
 There is so much speculation partly because of some of the documentation which has appeared and then disappeared from Kerry's own site, and because Kerry has refused to sign the form 180 and allow an independent examination of his records.
 
 But speculation is also rife because there are ways of getting copies of things in Washington, DC if you have the right connections.
 But, when the same allegations are coming from so many different directions, it's hard not to wonder if maybe there's fire behind all the smoke.
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 Great points! I'm glad to get the clarification from y'all - I've been tracking things pretty closely here, so hoped I hadn't missed anything.
 
 And, yes - there are many ways to get things in the government...
 
 There's a regulation for everything - and a waiver for every circumstance....
 
 The SOP (standard operating procedure) when I was in the AF - keep calling until you found the person who would read the regs in a way that was favorable to your situation. Didn't work all the time - but often enough to keep people calling!
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