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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:37 pm    Post subject: Kerry Is No War Hero, Say Vietnam Comrades Reply with quote

Kerry Is No War Hero, Say Vietnam Comrades
By Robert B. Bluey
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
July 14, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - Some of John Kerry's former swift boat crewmates will have a high-profile role at the Democratic National Convention later this month, as they attempt to portray Kerry as a decorated Vietnam War hero. But an even larger number of veterans say that's not the case.

As news spread Tuesday of the convention's framework, members of a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth dismissed the Democrats' plans. On the last night of the convention, an undisclosed number of Vietnam veterans plan to endorse Kerry.

"Preceding John Kerry and playing an important role will be his swift boat crewmates, who have stood by Kerry for more than 30 years since Kerry led them through the dangerous waters of Vietnam's Mekong Delta," a Democratic press release said.

A number of the veterans will speak glowingly about Kerry. Jim Rassman, a Green Beret who has said Kerry rescued him from a Vietnam river in 1969, will lead the group.

Members of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were quick to dismiss the effort, which they said amounted to a public relations push by the Kerry campaign to remake the candidate into a war hero despite lingering questions about his actions in Vietnam.

"The facts are that 250 of Kerry's former shipmates, including 17 of the 24 officers in his division, signed a public letter saying he's not fit to be the commander-in-chief," said retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffmann, who commanded the fleet of swift boats during Kerry's tour of duty.

Hoffmann is one of the most outspoken veterans to oppose Kerry's candidacy. During a May 4 press conference announcing the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, he called Kerry a "loose cannon" because of his actions in Vietnam. After the war, Kerry adopted an anti-war position that angered many veterans.

Since the press conference, which attracted throngs of reporters and a quick rebuttal from the Kerry campaign, the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth have continued to work behind the scenes on ways to refute Kerry's claims about his Vietnam service.

One veteran who served alongside Kerry in another swift boat said the story of his rescue of Rassmann was exaggerated.

"I have an eyewitness, firsthand account of what happened," said Larry Thurlow, who commanded a swift boat. "And the story he now tells is so drastically far from what actually happened, if I didn't know he was recounting this particular day, I wouldn't even recognize the story."

It was on that day that Kerry sustained an injury to his arm that resulted in a Purple Heart medal. Thurlow said Kerry didn't deserve that medal based on his recollection of events that day. Thurlow said the rescue wasn't nearly as dangerous as Kerry has described.

"He's a rhinestone cowboy," said John O'Neill, a veteran who helped organize Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. "He literally is a guy who parades around and pretends to be something he's not. He was in Vietnam for four months; everyone else was there for a year. He obtained three Purple Hearts from self-inflicted wounds. And then he left."

O'Neill also criticized the mainstream news media for not looking outside Kerry's small circle of Vietnam supporters. The actual number who will appear at the Democratic convention wasn't disclosed, but O'Neill said it would be nowhere near the number of critics.

"The media continue to go to the same six or seven people, although 254 people have signed our letter,"" O'Neill said. "They're ignoring that."

Kerry's campaign headquarters didn't respond to CNSNews.com's offer to rebut the veterans' charges. But in response to the May 4 event, at which nearly 20 veterans spoke, Kerry supporters hastily called a press conference.

Wade Sanders, a former deputy assistant secretary of the Navy, said Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has a partisan motive in its attack of Kerry, a charge the Republican National Committee dismissed at the time.

"I don't think that many of the people who are following this gentleman, Capt. (sic) Roy Hoffmann, really understand the political implications of what's going on here, I mean what's fronting this," Sanders said.

But each of the veterans interviewed by CNSNews.com Tuesday were adamant that their disapproval of Kerry was driven solely by personal knowledge of him and his actions.

"We're taking him on, not because of his politics, but because he's lied about us and he specifically lies about his own actions," Thurlow said. "He's just blown them out of proportion to the point where it's ridiculous. We're madder than hell and we're not going to take it anymore."
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it that the Swiftvets do not get any real media time? I know that you guys are working behind the scenes but I am wondering why it is not more public and hitting the morning shows? It seems Kerry has a lock on the media and the vets who are for him and not against him. Or if I do hear Swiftvets mentioned it is also mentioned that it's members are republican therefore discounted as anything other than a partisian effort to bring down Kerry.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theresa Alwood wrote:
Why is it that the Swiftvets do not get any real media time?


Theresa, "real media time" has, to a great degree, become a purchasable commodity. This endeavor will require professional media guidance and I'm guessing it doesn't come cheaply.

Also, there's a bit of a "honeymoon" period prior to the conventions in terms of media scrutiny. I would suspect that, as the campaigns enter high gear, the press will be much more vigorous in pursuing and examining any contentious background details of BOTH candidates. They've just about reached the bottom of that well with their "examination" of Bush. IMO, they've barely even started on Kerry...

...and the Swiftvets have a remarkable story to tell. "If you build it, they will come".
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Me#1You#10 wrote:
Theresa Alwood wrote:
Why is it that the Swiftvets do not get any real media time?


Theresa, "real media time" has, to a great degree, become a purchasable commodity. This endeavor will require professional media guidance and I'm guessing it doesn't come cheaply...


What's most amazing is that the only coverage the Swiftvets got back in May, of the News Conference, on C-Span ended with the announcer giving the SwiftVets website as Swiftvets.org! And that site is a John Kerry for president site!....so those of us who thought C-Span as 'fair and balanced' need to rethink. more likely Kerry paid for that plug!

Only November will tell....gotta have faith that some one other than us Vets have noticed we've got a 'Viet Cong for president' candidate showing up at the DNC.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bruce

I first went to .org the first time...could not believe what I found and then tried the .com. Did not surprise me that John Kerry's campain used a low underhanded trick...after all, all John Kerry has done is lied, lied and then lied some more. I just can not believe that there are people out there who can actually support this low life.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how come swiftvets isn't getting more exposure on FNC?

If they are on FNC often enough, CNN will cover the fact that they are on foxnews...which is a start
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well...the word IS starting to get out, and Mark Levin of WABC Radio in NYC just gave the SBVFT 50000 watts of support for about 10 minutes.

He read from many of the SBVFT quotes and is almost consumed with advocating taking a HARD look at Kerry's Vietnam era activities.

It's happening...perhaps slower than we'd like...but it's happening.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the attention span of the American electorate and the limited financial resources of Swiftvets, you can expect some activity at the DNC, a period of quiet until the RNC, and then a full blown blitz to the extent of resources until the election.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve Malzberg of WABC in NYC has also tuned into the SBVFT story and referenced them several times during the opening of his overnight show early Thursday morning.

For those in radio markets with call-in talk shows, this is an effective means of promoting the SBVFT message and, in many cases, it will probably be on their dime.

Here's a Boston station for any Beantowners to practice with...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Kerry Is No War Hero, Say Vietnam Comrades Reply with quote

ASPB wrote:


"I have an eyewitness, firsthand account of what happened," said Larry Thurlow, who commanded a swift boat. "And the story he now tells is so drastically far from what actually happened, if I didn't know he was recounting this particular day, I wouldn't even recognize the story."

It was on that day that Kerry sustained an injury to his arm that resulted in a Purple Heart medal. Thurlow said Kerry didn't deserve that medal based on his recollection of events that day. Thurlow said the rescue wasn't nearly as dangerous as Kerry has described.



From reading this, I'm not sure if Thurlow is the eyewitness, or if it is someone else.

And if it's Thurlow, why did he wait till now to say something -- I believe he was one of the SBVT original signers.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Kerry Is No War Hero, Say Vietnam Comrades Reply with quote

Just my opinion, but, given the context contained in the following statement...

Quote:
Thurlow said the rescue wasn't nearly as dangerous as Kerry has described.


I'm guessing he means...
Quote:


"I have an eyewitness, firsthand account of what happened," said Larry Thurlow, who commanded a swift boat. "And the story he (Kerry) now tells is so drastically far from what actually happened, if I didn't know he (Kerry) was recounting this particular day, I wouldn't even recognize the story."


DougReese wrote:
From reading this, I'm not sure if Thurlow is the eyewitness, or if it is someone else.


That could go either way, but "have(ing) an eyewitness, firsthand account of what happened" seems to describe a second-person narrative.

It IS badly stated or quoted though, and quite confusing.

Speaking of confusing Doug, did you ever hear back from Barry on the "Boston Strangler" query you said you were going to make?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:52 am    Post subject: Re: Kerry Is No War Hero, Say Vietnam Comrades Reply with quote

Me#1You#10 wrote:
Just my opinion, but, given the context contained in the following statement...

Quote:
Thurlow said the rescue wasn't nearly as dangerous as Kerry has described.


I'm guessing he means...
Quote:


"I have an eyewitness, firsthand account of what happened," said Larry Thurlow, who commanded a swift boat. "And the story he (Kerry) now tells is so drastically far from what actually happened, if I didn't know he (Kerry) was recounting this particular day, I wouldn't even recognize the story."


DougReese wrote:
From reading this, I'm not sure if Thurlow is the eyewitness, or if it is someone else.


That could go either way, but "have(ing) an eyewitness, firsthand account of what happened" seems to describe a second-person narrative.

It IS badly stated or quoted though, and quite confusing.

Speaking of confusing Doug, did you ever hear back from Barry on the "Boston Strangler" query you said you were going to make?


As for Barry -- No, I didn't. Let me get on that.

Now as for Thurlow. . . . . I knew that name rang a bell. Maybe he was one of the original SBVT signers (I haven't checked), but he WAS there March 13. I have something that indicates his presence that day.

So perhaps this is his eyewitness account afterall.

Anyway, the only account of any detail I have heard about what happened March 13 came from Jim Rassman -- not Kerry.

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