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magliano Seaman Recruit
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:45 pm Post subject: John Kerry/Michael Moore Similarites |
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Does anyone see any difference between the John Kerry of 1971 and the
Michael Moore of 2004? The only difference I see is Kerry used TV cameras in a Senate hearing room and Moore is using a movie to villify our country, slander our troops and undermine our military efforts. Both have the distinction of creating propaganda based on falsehoods designed to aid and abet the enemy. Both cost American lives because of their activities. |
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LewWaters Admin
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 4042 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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The only difference I see, besides the obvious weight issue, is that at least Kerry actually went to Vietnam, albeit a scant 4 months. That I know of, Moore never served a day in any military, just complains about them and based on comments abroad, hates America as it is, wanting to establish a socialist society, except for himself.
It always makes me laugh to think that the liberal "haves" complain about others of wealth, but want to hang on to theirs.
Reading where he calls terrorists "minutemen" and "revolutionaries" galls me no end. Expecting and actually seeming to hope that American military personnel are killed so his "idols" may win the war has to be treasonous or close to it. |
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Airedale Ensign
Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 50
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Then you have Michael Moore,
Say he doesn't like the idea of his movie being reduced to Bush v. Kerry.
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Micheael moore is the lowest form of
Whale $h!t
http://www.time.com/time/press_releases/article/0,8599,660927,00.html
From the TIME article;
New York -- “I don’t like this film being reduced to Bush vs. Kerry,” Fahrenheit 9/11 director Michael Moore tells TIME’s Richard Corliss in this week’s cover story. Moore tells TIME, “When Clinton was president I went after him. And if Kerry’s president, on Day Two I’ll be on him.
That phat porker has issues.
He went after the big car companies then screams about big buisness jobs going overseas.
I won't give him $1 to view his spew.
Some day,
he'll get his kick in the arse come uppance.
I do hope he runs for some state office.
That'll be his wake up call.
more fiction turned into "fact" ;
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101040712/ammoorefacts.html |
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LewWaters Admin
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 4042 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | I don’t like this film being reduced to Bush vs. Kerry |
Then why does he call it his effort at unseating George W. Bush?
That he calls it a "documentary" is most laughable. The only "documentation" in it is his own ability at creating false images. |
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LewWaters Admin
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 4042 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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Reading the unscientific poll at Time's online site, I have to say there is a lot of gullible suscribers,
Do you believe that Moore's film F. 9/11 offers an accurate depiction of the president?
Yes 55.2%
No 44.0%
Don’t Know 0.8% |
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Airedale Ensign
Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 50
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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From the TIME poll
Quote: | Do you believe that Moore's film F. 9/11 offers an accurate depiction of the president?
yes= 67%
no= 32 %
don't know 1 %
Total Votes Cast: 51963
NOTE: This is an unscientific, informal survey for the interest and enjoyment of TIME.com users and may not be indicative of popular opinion. |
If you had no life you could sit there and mindlessly click on any choice.
Only 52,000 votes cast.
I don't think the movie caught on like wild fire ( as hoped by Moore )
SPIDER MAN has already taken over the #1 box office slot.
f911 had it's weekend of fame.[/quote] |
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blackfrancis Seaman Recruit
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Airedale wrote: |
He went after the big car companies then screams about big buisness jobs going overseas.
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that's right. he went after GM because they were closing plants in the USA and opening plants in mexico, and he was upset on the effect it had on his hometown of Flint, Michigan. |
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Marine4life Senior Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 591 Location: California
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Well then go after Clinton. I only have one word that covers it NAFTA!!!! So he waits til a Republican comes to office to attack the democrats bullcrap. Good try though, now off of your trolling and back to reality. F911 is done, Michael Moore is still a fat comunist fool. Slick willy sent the jobs out of country not BUSH. Now get the facts right or leave. Semper Fi. _________________ Helicopter Marine Attack Squadron 169 which is now HMLA-169. They added Huey's to compliment the Cobra effectiveness. When I served we just had Snakes. |
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carpro Admin
Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 1176 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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blackfrancis wrote: | [
that's right. he went after GM because they were closing plants in the USA and opening plants in mexico, and he was upset on the effect it had on his hometown of Flint, Michigan. |
Surely you know that he's not from Flint.
Just another one of his lies. _________________ "If he believes his 1971 indictment of his country and his fellow veterans was true, then he couldn't possibly be proud of his Vietnam service." |
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Airedale Ensign
Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 50
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Moore vote at TIME update and
the "tif" with Pete Townshend ;
Total Votes Cast: 293,482
Do you believe that Moore's film F. 9/11 offers an accurate depiction of the president?
73.3% No
26.2% Yes
0.5% Dont know
From Pete Townshend's website:
7 July 2004-
Michael Moore has been making some claims – mentioning me by name - which I believe distort the truth.
He says – among other things – that I refused to allow him to use my song WON’T GET FOOLED AGAIN in his latest film, because I support the war, and that at the last minute I recanted, but he turned me down. I have never hidden the fact that at the beginning of the war in Iraq I was a supporter. But now, like millions of others, I am less sure we did the right thing.
When first approached I knew nothing about the content of his film FAHRENHEIT 911. My publisher informed me they had already refused the use of my song in principle because MIRAMAX the producers offered well below what the song normally commands for use in a movie. They asked me if I wanted to ask for more money, I told them no.
Nevertheless, as a result of my refusal to consider the use, Harvey Weinstein – a good friend of mine, and my manager Bill Curbishley – interceded personally, explained in more detail to Bill what the movie was about, and offered to raise the bid very substantially indeed. This brought the issue directly to me for the first time. Bill emailed me and told me how keen Harvey and Michael Moore were to use my song.
At this point I emailed Bill (and he may have passed the essence of what I said to Harvey Weinstein) that I had not really been convinced by BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE, and had been worried about its accuracy; it felt to me like a bullying film. Out of courtesy to Harvey
I suggested that if he and Moore were determined to have me reconsider, I should at least get a chance to see a copy of the new film.
I knew that with Cannes on the horizon, time was running short for them, and this might not be possible. I never received a copy of the film to view. At no time did I ask Moore or Miramax to reconsider anything. Once I had an idea what the film was about I was 90% certain my song was not right for them.
I believe that in the same email to my publisher and manager that contained this request to see the film I pointed out that WGFA is not an unconditionally anti-war song, or a song for or against revolution. It actually questions the heart of democracy: we vote heartily for leaders who we subsequently always seem to find wanting. (WGFA is a song sung by a fictional character from my 1971 script called LIFEHOUSE. The character is someone who is frightened by the slick way in which truth can be twisted by clever politicians and revolutionaries alike). I suggested in the email that they might use something by Neil Young, who I knew had written several songs of a more precise political nature, and is as accessible as I am. Moore himself takes credit for this idea, and I have no idea whether my suggestion reached him, but it was the right thing to do.
I have nothing against Michael Moore personally, and I know Roger Daltrey is a friend and fan of his, but I greatly resent being bullied and slurred by him in interviews just because he didn’t get what he wanted from me. It seems to me that this aspect of his nature is not unlike that of the powerful and wilful man at the centre of his new documentary. I wish him all the best with the movie, which I know is popular, and which I still haven’t seen. But he’ll have to work very, very hard to convince me that a man with a camera is going to change the world more effectively than a man with a guitar.
Pete
http://www.patdinizio.com/newsD.asp?box1ID=1026
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1167927/posts
I'm glad the fat boy was denied the use of a song he felt would be the cherry on the top of his movie.
Definetly Moore wanted it as a link to a the Nam conflict. |
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Airedale Ensign
Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 50
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Surely you know that he's not from Flint.
Just another one of his lies. |
What do you make of this short story;
Somebody is flip flopping;
Daschle denies hugging Moore
There was no hug between "Fahrenheit 9/11" director Michael Moore and Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle at the film's June 23 premiere in Washington, D.C., Daschle said Thursday.
When asked about Moore's account of a hug after the premiere and the criticism Daschle has received for it, the South Dakota Democrat said he and Moore did not embrace. Daschle said his schedule forced him to arrive late and leave early.
"I know we senators all tend to look alike. But I arrived late, and I had to leave early for Senate votes. I didn't meet Mr. Moore," Daschle said.
In a lengthy Time magazine piece about the movie and its political effects, Richard Corliss reported Moore's criticism of Daschle's leadership and the filmmaker's account of a hug with Daschle.
"At the Washington premiere, Moore sat a few rows behind Daschle. Afterward, says Moore, ‘He gave me a hug and said he felt bad and that we were all gonna fight from now on. I thanked him for being a good sport,'" Corliss wrote.
Daschle, who was at the premiere at the invitation of producer/distributor Harvey Weinstein, said
he and Moore have never met.
http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2004/07/09/news/local/news05.txt
The man has "issues".
Moore should eventually have his head opened up and brain examined. |
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carpro Admin
Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 1176 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like Moore of the same.
Reminds me of a teenager seeking stature with real adults. _________________ "If he believes his 1971 indictment of his country and his fellow veterans was true, then he couldn't possibly be proud of his Vietnam service." |
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