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tigerflyboy
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 Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:27 am Post subject: disprove these facts |
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Ok so since none of you wants to go see Fahrenheit 9/11.Here is some information I did not know:
We all know that “W” was not very successful when he 1st attempted to start a business, (drove 3 companies out of business) but did you know who help bankroll his ventures?
The Bin Laden family.
We know there was some question about his reserve service in Ala ,and he released his service records, although scrub of certain information.. But did you know that Moore obtained a copy of his record in 2000 before it was scrubbed. This shows that “W” and another officer were suspended from flight duty for failure to complete a Flight Physical. The other officer in question, became the director of finance for… the Bin Laden group! And had Bush’s ear during his fathers term in office. Boasting that “of course it nice to be connected to the office and he can talk to his dad anytime he wants to. (BTW at that time he was on the board of director for the Harkin company).
Also during that time there was a notice sent out to all company members about not using certain information to gain on the company, and “W” soon after turned a nice $856.000 profit by selling his stock, right before the company declared a 23 million loss. Oh yes and don’t forget Ken Lay was also involved in the company at the same time.
Let see some other interesting facts, the person making the prediction for FOX New on the night of the 2000 election was…. Wait for it …. “W”’s cousin! (kinda convenient huh.) Which was the 1st network to give “Florida to Bush”.
A major point of contention recently was that Moore, stated that the administration let the Saudi leave the country after they were gathered up and they were not interviewed. Most of the news commentators note (and rightly so) that the FBI did interview them before leaving, and all were cleared.
After watching the movie , Moore said that they were allowed to leave the country after the 13 Sep and that most were not Properly interviewed., Now that is a point that is very subjective, But he did make a good point in that what about all the passengers that were pulled off the aircrafts and detained for days and weeks before being released, why is it that family members of a KNOWN terrorist, are not worthy of a day, or week long interview, But someone who skin color happened to be slightly darker or wears a turban on his head or an abaya gets detained for nothing better than being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Now don’t get the impression that I agreed with every point he made in the movie.
His attack on Bush for his vacation time, was not necessary, the President job is 24/7 and so, even when he’s on vacation he’s on duty.
His attempt to make us think that Bush would do what was right for the Saudi’s over us, I find very hard to swallow. Thought I do think he allowed the Saudi’s special status because of his and his fathers relationship. I mean n the night of the attacks he had dinner with prince Bandar, at the white house when most of the terrorist were Saudi’ nationals.
Oh yea did ya notice who was installed in Afghanistan?? Both the prime minister, and the other leader (not sure of his title) were, leading managers for uniocal ( amazing how quick they got that pipeline approved across the country)
Another point the press has made against Moore is that he edited out some interviews like the interview with the senator that later told Moore on camera that he has a nephew going to Iraq soon. In defense of Moore he did not ask if the member had a relative in Iraq but if they were willing to sign their children up, to go and support the war!
So all in all I think Moore’s movie was on point majority of the time. Was he after Bush without a doubt but the points he brought out make a lot of sense and I encourage ya’ll to disprove them. |
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LewWaters
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| Quote: | We all know that “W” was not very successful when he 1st attempted to start a business, (drove 3 companies out of business) but did you know who help bankroll his ventures?
The Bin Laden family. |
WE? You got a frog in your pocket? Why is WE ALL KNOW this, but you fail to supply any proof or documentation whatsoever? If it were such common knowledge, wouldn’t true documentation be available?
Osama was but one of over 50 children in the Bin Ladin family. The senior Bin Ladin was a well-known businessman in the construction industry. Are you trying to say that because one out of over 50 kids of his turned terrorist, that the entire family is? By that reasoning, since Bill Clinton was a sleaze that slept around on his wife, his wife is unfit to hold her Senatorial slot.
But, on the huge connection you claim;
| Quote: | | In 1979, Bush’s first business, Arbusto Energy, obtained financing from James Bath, a Houstonian and close family friend. One of many investors, Bath gave Bush $50,000 for a 5 percent stake in Arbusto. At the time, Bath was the sole U.S. business representative for Salem bin Laden, head of the wealthy Saudi Arabian family and a brother (one of 17) to Osama bin Laden. It has long been suspected, but never proven, that the Arbusto money came directly from Salem bin Laden. In a statement issued shortly after the September 11 attacks, the White House vehemently denied the connection, insisting that Bath invested his own money, not Salem bin Laden’s, in Arbusto. |
Anyway you cut it, thats a very broad leap.
Otis elevator built and installed a heated brass elevator for Adolph Hitler in the thirties. Are they also Nazi sympathizers?
| Quote: | | We know there was some question about his reserve service in Ala ,and he released his service records, although scrub of certain information.. But did you know that Moore obtained a copy of his record in 2000 before it was scrubbed. This shows that “W” and another officer were suspended from flight duty for failure to complete a Flight Physical. The other officer in question, became the director of finance for… the Bin Laden group! And had Bush’s ear during his fathers term in office. Boasting that “of course it nice to be connected to the office and he can talk to his dad anytime he wants to. (BTW at that time he was on the board of director for the Harkin company). |
There you go with that "we" crap again. The only question ever raised about Bush’s service was from the left trying to make him appear bad, after condoning a proven and admitted draft dodger in the White House for 8 years. The question was resolved back in 2000 by the very left leaning New York Times and when drug up again this year, once again disproved by those he served with.
You place an awful lot of trust in Pus Gut Moores claim.
| Quote: | | Also during that time there was a notice sent out to all company members about not using certain information to gain on the company, and “W” soon after turned a nice $856.000 profit by selling his stock, right before the company declared a 23 million loss. Oh yes and don’t forget Ken Lay was also involved in the company at the same time. |
Ah yes, Ken Lay, LOL. You want us to believe he managed to abscond with all that money in the scant 8 months Bush was in office and didn’t manage any during the previous 8 years Clinton was in office? Do you realize it was the Bush administration that has been prosecuting these people while the Democrats gave them carte blanche the previous 8 years? Did Moore forget that simple fact?
| Quote: | | Let see some other interesting facts, the person making the prediction for FOX New on the night of the 2000 election was…. Wait for it …. “W”’s cousin! (kinda convenient huh.) Which was the 1st network to give “Florida to Bush”. |
Imagine that. Gore conceded the election too and later withdrew it. All independent recounts accomplished after the courts ruled for Bush, courts that were only involved because the Democrat Gore brought them into it, have clearly shown that even without any court rulings, Bush won Florida. Even if by a small margin, all it takes is one vote.
| Quote: | | A major point of contention recently was that Moore, stated that the administration let the Saudi leave the country after they were gathered up and they were not interviewed. Most of the news commentators note (and rightly so) that the FBI did interview them before leaving, and all were cleared. |
Actually, Richard Clarke, the arch nemesis of the Bush administration during the 9-11 Commission hearings, admitted it was he that decided to and cleared the members of the Bin Ladin family to leave. Moore failed to mention that too.
| Quote: | | After watching the movie , Moore said that they were allowed to leave the country after the 13 Sep and that most were not Properly interviewed., Now that is a point that is very subjective, But he did make a good point in that what about all the passengers that were pulled off the aircrafts and detained for days and weeks before being released, why is it that family members of a KNOWN terrorist, are not worthy of a day, or week long interview, But someone who skin color happened to be slightly darker or wears a turban on his head or an abaya gets detained for nothing better than being at the wrong place at the wrong time. |
This is what Moore does best, gives a false impression without uttering a false word. The FBI has said that all that they deemed necessary to be interviewed, where. They left much later than the 13 of September. However, you seem to feel it was wrong to look twice at other Arabic looking people after that horrible day, but seem to condemn an entire family of over 50 offspring because one became a radical terrorist. Looks like a definite contradiction to me.
Reports have them leaving around September 18 or 19, only after the ban on flights was lifted. Several other prominent Saudis left at the same time also, but there seems to be no problem with them, from the left.
Moore also fails to mention that during the Clinton administration, Osama was offered to the US 3 times. It was the Clinton administration that seemed unable to find a reason to take him into custody.
| Quote: | | Now don’t get the impression that I agreed with every point he made in the movie. |
Now, why would we think you fell for his nonsense? It couldn’t be because you never confirmed anything he said, could it? 
| Quote: | | His attack on Bush for his vacation time, was not necessary, the President job is 24/7 and so, even when he’s on vacation he’s on duty. |
I see, only some of his baseless bashing is pertinent, huh?
| Quote: | | His attempt to make us think that Bush would do what was right for the Saudi’s over us, I find very hard to swallow. Thought I do think he allowed the Saudi’s special status because of his and his fathers relationship. I mean n the night of the attacks he had dinner with prince Bandar, at the white house when most of the terrorist were Saudi’ nationals installed in Afghanistan?? Both the prime minister, and the other leader (not sure of his title) were, leading managers for uniocal ( amazing how quick they got that pipeline approved across the country) |
Uh, in your first paragraph, you mention he was financed by the Bin Ladins, a wealthy Saudi family. Now, you say you don’t think he has the Saudis best interest at heart? Which way is it?
You are joking about that pipeline, aren’t you? Isn’t it amazing how fast they got it approved, when the notion of building a pipeline across Afghanistan was abandoned back in 1999 and there are no current plans for one? Do you ever verify what you are told?
| Quote: | | point the press has made against Moore is that he edited out some interviews like the interview with the senator that later told Moore on camera that he has a nephew going to Iraq soon. In defense of Moore he did not ask if the member had a relative in Iraq but if they were willing to sign their children up, to go and support the war! |
Moore is a master at creating false impressions and it appears he manipulated you very easily. But, it’s easy to do when you act like lost sheep and just play follow the leader.
| Quote: | | Moore’s movie was on point majority of the time. Was he after Bush without a doubt but the points he brought out make a lot of sense and I encourage ya’ll to disprove them. |
It is difficult to refute something factually when it has no basis in fact, but I think the truth wins out in the end. The movie is just another lopsided attempt by Moore to act like he is somebody important and knowledgeable about matters. That so many are falling for it and making that sleazebag wealthier is what amuses me the most.
Do you also see Hustler magazines owner and editor, Larry Flynt as a literary giant?  |
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tigerflyboy
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Well here we go again, you jump just because it's Moore.
why is it everytime I write something, I'm blowing somke, but when ya'll wirte something it's gospel ok so I'm gonna get the souerces, and then I'll respond to each point to tried not very well to debunk. Like I said before ... me thinks he does protest too much!! but at least i'm willing to back up my stats what about you. BTW I noticed you did not respond to the bit about "W" and his suspension? And just to get it right, I said
The other officer in question, became the director of finance for… the Bin Laden group! And had Bush’s ear during his fathers term in office. Boasting that “of course it nice to be connected to the office and he can talk to his dad anytime he wants to. (BTW at that time he was on the board of director for the Harkin company).
Also during that time there was a notice sent out to all company members about not using certain information to gain on the company, and “W” soon after turned a nice $856.000 profit by selling his stock, right before the company declared a 23 million loss
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His attempt to make us think that Bush would do what was right for the Saudi’s over us, I find very hard to swallow. the Saudi's do have some influence over the Bush family, not that he would sell out his country.
anyway I'll get back, but you might want to rethink your Moore views, I don't see himas a savor, or the rat you see him as. I see a gouy that see some wrongs and is trying to correct them. |
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LewWaters
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| Quote: | | Well here we go again, you jump just because it's Moore. |
I jump? You asked for someone to disprove what you saw in Moores latest piece of garbage and I did. If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen
| Quote: | | why is it everytime I write something, I'm blowing somke, but when ya'll wirte something it's gospel ok so I'm gonna get the souerces, and then I'll respond to each point to tried not very well to debunk. Like I said before ... me thinks he does protest too much!! but at least i'm willing to back up my stats what about you. BTW I noticed you did not respond to the bit about "W" and his suspension? And just to get it right, I said |
Can you provide real documentation, from sites other than liberal Bush hating media? I doubt it.
As for Bush’s “suspension,” did you not read where I said many he served with have come forward? Apparently you have little working knowledge of what is involved in being a fighter jet pilot.
Supply specific documentation for what you claim and watch how it falls apart under scrutiny.
| Quote: | | The other officer in question, became the director of finance for… the Bin Laden group! And had Bush’s ear during his fathers term in office. Boasting that “of course it nice to be connected to the office and he can talk to his dad anytime he wants to. (BTW at that time he was on the board of director for the Harkin company). |
Or, so Moore says. Again, you make a baseless claim and provide no definitive documentation, just what you heard on the movie screen.
Like I told you, Osama is but one of over 50 offspring and has been largely disowned by the Bin Ladin family. Do you and Moore stereotype all family members that have one go bad?
| Quote: | | Also during that time there was a notice sent out to all company members about not using certain information to gain on the company, and “W” soon after turned a nice $856.000 profit by selling his stock, right before the company declared a 23 million loss |
Another baseless claim. Why not verify his claims yourself before trying to argue them here? Does he also Question Hillary Clintons ability to turn a small investment into over a one hundred thousand dollar return from Tyson in an extremely short time period?
| Quote: | | His attempt to make us think that Bush would do what was right for the Saudi’s over us, I find very hard to swallow. |
But, you have no problem repeating them to us as if we are supposed to just accept them?
| Quote: | the Saudi's do have some influence over the Bush family, not that he would sell out his country.
anyway I'll get back, but you might want to rethink your Moore views, I don't see himas a savor, or the rat you see him as. I see a gouy that see some wrongs and is trying to correct them. |
Another baseless claim. By Moores reasoning on Bush and Bin Ladins family, they have more influence over Michael Moore, since he too is connected to the Carlyle group. Chances are, the theater you sat in to watch that miserable piece of trash was owned by the Carlyle group too. Did Moore mention that?
All I see is a fat wealthy pig who will throw anything up on the screen that depicts hatred for America and make him wealthier. How you can defend a person who calls the insurgents killing our people in Iraq today Revolutionaries, the minutemen of today who are going to win, is beyond me.
P.T. Barnum was right back then and it still applies, there is one born every minute. |
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My God, tigerflyboy, how can any vet defend Micheal Moore? He actually said it would be good for us to lose more people in Iraq so it will convince us to leave. I guarantee that you - by citing Moore as some kind of reliable source - will definitely be considered on this board to be a card-carrying member of the far-left lunatic fringe. Tiger, if you're a Democrat, listen to Zell Miller, not Micheal Moore. For an excellent debunking of the fat boy's entire career, not to mention 9/11 F, read the book Micheal Moore is a Fat Stupid White Boy. It's for real - I checked it out on Amazon; it's already #4 on their Top 100. Listen, you should know that he has called you and ALL Americans - except himself and a few other barking moonbats - the stupidest people on earth. Personally, I think you need to go post your unsupported anti-Bush claptrap over at moveon or DU. This forum is not intended for the kind of baseless garbage you posted; it's about Kerry, not some fat, gassy, lying windbag's fantasies about our Commander-in-Chief!
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GoophyDog
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Whoa! What I think we need to do, since tigerflyboy doesn't seem to want to, is to simply begin taking the movie apart piece by piece.
Moore is well known to use creative mixing and cutting to prove points he wants to make regardless of the truth or facts - I invite your attention to Bowling for Columbine as a case in point.
tigerflyboy; I submit to you this premise: F 9/11 is advertised as a documentary and as such is meant to document facts. If the base facts of this documentary are disproven, discounted or debunked by the facts gathered herein wouldn't it be fair to say that rather than being a documentary, F9/11 then becomes propaganda? That said, exactly who stands to gain from such propaganda? And lastly, if such person or persons knowingly allow such gain, have they not then discredited themselves?
Now let's look at FACTS: Yes, President Bush sold out Arbusto and made some money (at approximately $4.00/share). BUT - what isn't well published is the fact that Arbusto's stock, after tanking at approximately $1.25 a share, bounced back up to over $8.00 per share! and that was AFTER the President's sale. Hmmm, I think if I was going to sell, I would have chosen the higher mark. Moore sort of forgets this little tidbit of information doesn't he?
Want another? I'm not going to type them here, just check this link out:
http://www.nypress.com/15/29/news&columns/beans.cfm
And this is from one heck of a liberal newsrag!
You may also want to do a stock history hunt on Arbusto/Bush Exploration, Harken and Spectrum 7 for those years. Doesn't take much, I pulled them up and confirmed the story in about 45 minutes at the library.
So, the lead-in facts for F/911 seem to be just a tad debunked by a quick, intelligent search of the net. It seems Moore, on doing his research just went after the first pops that hit his MSN search engine.
As for the Saudi/bin Laden link. Not established. To speculate in a "documentary" without stating it is speculated is deceiving in the best of light.
Bush service record: Yep, he screwed up, just like a lot of other reserves during that period. A pretty good examination of this is at:
http://www.calpundit.com/archives/003220.html
As for the suspension - that's SOP! You don't pass the flight physical and you don't fly - period. Especially true when flying the f-102 widow maker.
Just a point of information. While George W. Bush was missing his drills, his opponent was giving false testimony before congress while still a member of the armed forces.
Can you or Moore cite the connection of the "other officer" and the bin Laden group? I've yet to find any solid documentation on that.
Moore's contention that the people were not properly interviewed is skewed. A factual account has been related by Clarke and from FBI records. Moore's lack of any type of experience in this type of interview/interrogation is evident in his failure to follow up on those disclosures. Further - it is quite logical to believe that those who are more prominent are able to present more adequate and accurate activity information that than others. Speculation: perhaps the brevity of the interviews was due to just filling holes in an already KNOWN itinerary and activities - in other words, they had been tracked well before 9/11.
In support of the speculation, see:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm
Also note the time frames. The interviews intimate that it was during the Clinton administration that policy was set and only after 9/11 was it fully reversed.
As has been stated ad naseum, the pipeline is and was someone's pipe dream and has not been substantiated in the past 5 years.
A final comment on this terribly long missive. While Moore's track record started out okay (I liked some of his comedy stuff in the early years), his most recent works have been subject to very creative editing on his part to support his personal viewpoint. F 9/11, like Bowling will eventually go down in the history books as propaganda made to order. Perhaps the only deceipt as great as presented in these "documentaries" is Patton's fake army in WWII. That sir, is my opinion and not supported by facts - YET. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 8:55 am Post subject: What utter nonsense |
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Good bulletin board space is being taking up by posts like tigerflyboy and the attempt to find a conspiracy behind anything and everthing that can be remotely tied to President Bush. Michael Moore is the worlds biggest joke, for anybody to take his movie or him seriously, shows you the state we have allowed ourselves as Americans to fall in. Terrorists flew two planes into the world trade center and killed over two thousand people. George Bush is going to do what is necessary to make this country safe again. John Kerry will sell our ass down the river or better yet gut our weapons systems, gut our military, or bargain our safety away. Lets get real, Bush is the man who is going to defend us, protect our familys, and keep America and Americans safe as he can. Wake up, we are at war with people who will kill us! I love my country, its the greatest country on the face of the earth. But I am becoming very suspicious of alot of the people who live here. Remember Krushchev said we will destroy ourselves from within, Moore's propaganda movie if believed is just moving us along in that direction. Moderators should delete the stupid conspiracy nonsense, and keep us moving forward and getting the word out about John Kerry, and why he (Kerry) should not be elected. I'm tired of all the Bush bashing and nonsense conspiracy theories on this board. Replay the film about the planes flying into the world trade center, show the site where the plane went down in Pa., after the passengers took control and most likely saved the White House, Look once again at the Pentagon film, Remember the dead and injured from that, then bow your head and thank god we have a strong, sincere man in the White House who is doing whatever it takes to eliminate these killers and murderers from the face of the earth.
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Michael Moore is a fat, bitter leftist who supports terrorists with his anti-western hatreds. Like it's creator, his movie is a big fat pack of lies, period. He proves nothing other than his own idiotic leftist version of reality is a fraud.
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BRAVO ZULU, Gramps!!!! Hot damn!!
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Doc Jerry
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| Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:35 pm Post subject: Nice Work Lew |
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I (and I'm sure most of us do) admire your detail in showing the facts and relevant documentation. Your response to Tiger is right on target.
But, we know one thing: Tiger, like his hero Moore, can't handle the truth.
And anyone who can support someone like Moore who said the following in F-9/11:
"Our soldiers are dumb rednecks who like to play rock music while they kill innocent civilians." or from his website on April 14, 2004:
"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' or 'The Enemy.' They are the Revolution, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow." {in other words, Moore hopes more American troops will die}.
And this is the guy Tiger relies on for the truth?
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It's the kind of unsupported BS that most liberals fall over themselves to believe. Just look at tigerflyboy!
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nakona
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 4:10 am Post subject: Re: disprove these facts |
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We all know that “W” was not very successful when he 1st attempted to start a business, (drove 3 companies out of business) but did you know who help bankroll his ventures? The Bin Laden family.
You will need to supply the following information:
1) The three businesses that GWB allegedly drove out of business.
2) The reasons they went out of business.
3) Proof that it was by the sole actions of GWB that all three went out of business.
4) Proof that the Bin Laden family loaned him money or otherwise provided financial support, and the amount of that support as a percentage of total capitalization.
5) Explanation of why it matters that a family that disowned Osama loaned GWB any money.
We know there was some question about his reserve service in Alabama, and he released his service records, although scrub of certain information...
You will need to detail what specific information was redacted and the relevance.
This shows that “W” and another officer were suspended from flight duty for failure to complete a Flight Physical.
Bush's aircraft model was obsoleted and there was insufficient time remaining in his enlistment to get trained on another plane and be useful to the service, rendering his physical moot and pointless.
The other officer in question, became the director of finance for… the Bin Laden group!
You will need to produce his name, prove that he went to work for the Bin Laden Group, and then explain why it matters.
And had Bush’s ear during his fathers term in office.
Support this claim, produce the subject matter of the conversations so that it can be determined whether the talks were of a business or personal nature, and explain why it matters.
Boasting that “of course it nice to be connected to the office and he can talk to his dad anytime he wants to.
Support this claim, produce the subject matter of the conversations so that it can be determined whether the talks were of a business or personal nature, and explain why it matters.
Also during that time there was a notice sent out to all company members about not using certain information to gain on the company...
Produce this document.
....and “W” soon after turned a nice $856.000 profit by selling his stock, right before the company declared a 23 million loss.
Produce supporting evidence to substantiate a claim of illegal insider trading.
Oh yes and don’t forget Ken Lay was also involved in the company at the same time.
You will need to pruduce supporting documentation of this and explain it's relevance.
Let see some other interesting facts, the person making the prediction for FOX New on the night of the 2000 election was…. Wait for it …. “W”’s cousin! (kinda convenient huh.) Which was the 1st network to give “Florida to Bush”.
Explain relevance.
A major point of contention recently was that Moore, stated that the administration let the Saudi leave the country after they were gathered up and they were not interviewed....
According to Richard Clark, that decision was made by him (Richard Clarke), personally.
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| tigerflyboy wrote: | | Oh yea did ya notice who was installed in Afghanistan?? Both the prime minister, and the other leader (not sure of his title) were, leading managers for uniocal ( amazing how quick they got that pipeline approved across the country) |
Are you talking Karzai? Karzai was never a consultant or employee to Unocal. Moore has Karzai confused with Zalmay Khalilzad, the U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan, was a Unocal consultant in the mid-1990s under Clinton.
Also, Unocal never had a plan to build a Caspian Sea pipeline through Afghanistan. |
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I encourage ya’ll to disprove them. |
I would say each point has been effectively disproven or adequately questioned. No reply back from from tigerflyboy? |
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