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ThanksVets
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 Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 2:20 pm Post subject: NBC STILL HYPING WEAPONS STORY!! |
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| This is making me sick. We need to deluge NBC/MSNBC. Chris Mathews and Matt Lower are all over the place this morning talking about how the President's not addressing the issue is going to cost him the election! Let them be heard! |
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jataylor11
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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Be careful what you ask/wish for 
Cheney addressed this yesterday ...
I am sure that President Bush will address this issue before the end of the week... |
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Son of a VET
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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More people watch Fox News. Fox News is hammering this with the facts. It is going to hurt skerry not help him.
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Dimsdale
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Kerry jumped on this story before the ink dried.
Where is all the "nuance" and "intellectual consideration" he is allegedly famous for? Does all that go out the window when you are so politically desperate and have no plan for the future?
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kman
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Son of a VET wrote: | | More people watch Fox News. Fox News is hammering this with the facts. It is going to hurt skerry not help him. |
Can't remember the exact numbers, but FOX reaches something like 3-5 million viewers (on a good day) while the alphabets + PBS reach ~35 million.
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8dayweek
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 3:49 pm Post subject: Kerry, CBS and NY Times got some splainin' to do |
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Wednesday, Oct. 27, 2004 11:15 a.m. EDT
NY Times Flashback: Paper Reported Saddam Transferred High Explosives
The New York Times claimed this week that hundreds of tons of high explosives had been removed from the Al-Qaqaa weapons depot while the facility was under U.S. control.
But Times reporters knew way back in Feb. 2003 that the removal process was instigated - not by looters or insurgents after the U.S. liberation - but instead by the government of Saddam Hussein.
On Feb. 15, 2003, the Times reported on an address to the United Nations Security Council by Mohamed ElBaradei, the UN's chief nuclear watchdog. In quotes covered extensively by the paper, ElBaradei shared his concern about the removal of high explosives from facilities like Al Qaqaa:
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"We have also continued to investigate the relocation and consumption of the high explosive HMX," ElBaradei explained a month before the U.S. invasion.
"As I reported earlier, Iraq has declared that 32 tons of the HMX, previously under I.A.E.A. seals, had been transferred for use in the production of industrial explosives, primarily to cement plants as a booster for explosives used in quarrying."
Baradei noted that Saddam's government had even confirmed the movement of the HMX, in quotes also picked up by the Times 21 months ago:
"Iraq has provided us with additional information, including documentation on the movement and use of this material, and inspections have been conducted at locations where the material is said to have been used.
"However, given the nature of the use of high explosives," ElBaradei said, "it may well be that the I.A.E.A. will be unable to reach a final conclusion on the end use of this material. While we have no indication that this material was used for any application other than that declared by Iraq, we have no technical method of verifying quantitatively the declared use of the material in explosions. . . . "
While the Times, CBS News and the presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry continue to insist that the removal of HMX and other high explosives took place sometime after the liberation of Iraq began on March 19, 2003, they have yet to address ElBaradei's Security Council report clearly indicating those claims are not true.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/27/112045.shtml |
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Dimsdale
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Remember how the Dems screamed about the timing of the Sandy Berger burglary story? Or the terror alert upgrade in early August? Or anything else the President has done?
Yet the manipulation of a 16 month (or more) old story to report it the week before the election (after failing to get it reported on Sunday night) seems to cause no concern among the Democrats.
Funny, that.
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Dimsdale
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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From Kevin McCullough (http://kmclive.com/)
| Quote: | Transcript of Brett Baer on FOX NEWS...
~11:39am~ EST
EVEN IF KERRY DOES, THE TIMELINE DOESN'T LIE:As reported by Brett Baer last night on "Special Report with Brit Hume".
[Graphic: Still Shot of Saddam Hussein]
Baer: Senior Pentagon officials believe but cannot prove that it was this man not post-war insurgents who ordered the removal of 380 tons of high explosives from a facility south of Baghdad before the war.
Saddam Hussein was still in power in January of 2003 at that time inspectors with the International Atomic Energy Agency went to the Al QaQaa storage facility tagging and sealing the large stockpile of powerful and conventional explosives HMX and RDX.
In February of 2003 IAEA chief Muhammed Al Baradei reported to the United Nations Security Council that some explosives had been removed from Al QaQaa but that 377 tons remained. On March 8th IAEA inspectors made their last inspection of the facility before the war. The IAEA said that included a spot check on some but not all of the sealed explosives.
The war started March 19th. After the Army's 3rd infantry division moved through the area on their way to Baghdad, the first U.S. troops stopped in to Al QaQaa on April 9th. A Reuters camera crew embedded with the scouts of the 101st Airborne Division arrived at the storage facility, did a quick search, including a number of bunkers filled with explosives, but nothing marked by the IAEA. On April 10th the second Brigade of the 101st arrived there and spent the night. An NBC crew was with them. A Cursory search was conducted and nothing marked or tagged by the IAEA was spotted.
FOX's Dana Lewis was there with NBC at the time.
Lewis: "We saw many, many bunkers. Many of them full of ammunition at that point. We did not see all of them open. Many of them had still been pad-locked. Some of them were damaged from airstrikes, were actually open to the air. There were many, many rockets, that had been hit by airstrikes."
Baer: The second Brigade left the next day moving forward to Baghdad.
U.S. weapons inspectors - the Iraq Survey Group - arrived on May 27th, conducting a full search of the 32 bunkers and they did not find any of the marked IAEA explosives.
If one large truck contains ten tons, U.S. Commanders says it highly unlikely that insurgents managed to take 38 truckloads worth of explosives out of the facility in that time, as the roads were filled with convoys of U.S. Vehicles on the way to Baghdad clogged with supply and communications lines stretching all the way back to Kuwait. All being watch closely with unmanned arial vehicles like the Jointstars and the Predator to protect the troops rear flank and to spot unusual activity.
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld when asked about the missing explosives in a radio interview today said the specifics are under investigation by the Iraq Survey Group. But he chose to point out that Saddam Hussein moved many weapons and explosives before the war. Brit...
Brit Hume: "Brett let me get this straight...so what we, what has recently been learned by the IAEA which is that these weapons are missing was something that U.S. weapons inspectors detected in April, excuse me May of last year correct?"
Baer: "May 27th is the definitive date that the Iraq Survey Group went through all 32 of the bunkers and did not find any of the explosives marked by the IAEA."
Hume: "So the fact that they weren't there has been known to the U.S. Government since way last year?"
Baer: "Since, yeah May 27th, 2003"
So not only has this been public knowledge since May of 2003, but the unmanned arial aircraft never showed any convey or caravan coming from the site that would have required nearly 40 massive trucks to move it. And just how many pairs of hands do you suppose would have been required to load the trucks?
And all of this in the immediate days following the fall of Saddam's statue in Baghdad? And all of this happening on roads that were chock full American military persons and equipment from Al QaQaa to Kuwait?
Later in the evening Baer reappeared on Fox News on the O'Reilly factor and after laying out the same set of facts O'Reilly asked the most important question of the evening.
O'Reilly: "So between January 2003 and May 2003 those weapons disappeared, somewhere in that window - correct?"
Baer: "Exactly"
O'Reilly: "So why are we talking about this one week before the Presidential election?"
And that my friend is the million dollar question... |
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