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miltonsket
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 Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:25 am Post subject: From 380 Tons to 3 Tons and now a tape of a few barrels |
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They are getting desperate! First Kerry and the NYT says 380 tons then the IAEA says three tons last time they checked, now a video of a few bunkers with seals and one with a few barrels. This is only proving how desperate the Democrats are! Yes some Iraqi weapons were looted and yes very few Vietnam soldiers did bad things but it was not the rule it was the exception. John Kerry was wrong in 1971 when he said it was the majority of soldiers committing atrocities. He is wrong now when he said it was huge amounts of explosives, a grave mistake, 380 tons. Once again he is exaggerating the struggles of war to advance his own political career while he smears our troops. Our military is the greatest in the world! This video proves Bush was right!!! It was not 380 tons it was a few barrels!!!!!!!!!!!!
US forces have secured 400,000 tons of munitions... 3 tons, if true, constitutes .00075% of the total (.01 =1%)
NOTE: The video crew admits
that they didn't go into bunkers with IAEA seals.
A 5 Eyewitness News crew in Iraq ""may have been"" just a door away from material that could be used to detonate nuclear weapons. The evidence is in videotape shot by Reporter Dean Staley and Photographer Joe Caffrey at or near the Al Qaqaa munitions facility
1. KERRY and NYT CLAIMS 380 TONS WERE MISSING
2. IAEA ADMITS ONLY 3 TONS LEFT
3. IAEA ADMITS THE BUNKERS WERE NOT CHECKED, JUST THE FRONT DOOR SEAL, AND THERE WERE SIDE ENTRANCES
4. SATELLITE CAPTURES IMAGE OF TRUCKS MOVING EXPLOSIVES BEFORE WAR
5. VIDEO SHOWS ONE OPEN BUNKER AND A FEW BARRELS AND SOME SEALS ON FRONT DOOR.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Conclusion this was a highly exaggerated, politically motivated story designed to smear our military and hurt President Bush !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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chemical_boy
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There are current threads on this
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/alqaqaa_documents.pdf
look at pages 2 and 11 ofthis PDF
The 138 tonnes of RDX is confirmed to have been moved before the American Military arrived at Al Qa Qaa...Mohamed El Baradei lied in his letter to the UN when he stated that there were 380 tonnes of HE at Al Qa Qaa
Baradei said there were
195 tones HMX, 141 tonnes RDX and 6 Tonnes PETN ---> 342 tonnes
when there was actually
195 tones HMX, 3 tonnes RDX and 3 Tonnes PETN ---> 201 tonnes
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Paul Woll
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Things the ridiculous ABC video says...
"missing explosives MAY have ties to their team"
"Area they were staying MAY have been close to Al Qaqaa... "
"THEY Determined (NOW) that their team MAY have been located near southern edge of the complex"
If they drove north based on the image, they didn't do so on roads as there were none on the screen that went north from their supposed location. If they drove on roads, it would not have put them there as the road that goes north goes west a long ways first.
They said they have no idea what they were really looking at.
They say bunkers near or on. There is no evidence the bunkers they looked at are part of the missing explosives.
For that matter, there is no evidence that the explosives we saw in the video are the ones that have been reported missing.
They said BE CLEAR, it MAY or MAY NOT be the material in question. How is this evidence? This sounds more like gossip. |
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jwb7605
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: From 380 Tons to 3 Tons and now a tape of a few barrels |
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| miltonsket wrote: |
!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Conclusion this was a highly exaggerated, politically motivated story designed to smear our military and hurt President Bush !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
another five or six days, and this will be admitted to by the MSM.
it takes that long to do proper research and reach rock solid conclusions.
CBS and the NY Times will spend more time doing internal investigations, and decide that it was all accidental. |
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Rdtf
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I spoke to a Democrat about this this morning and almost spit out my coffee when he told me he now can see the obvious bias. Was shaking his head.
Hmmmm maybe the ole' MSM has taken it too far. Now the undecided voters (the non-koolaid drinkers) can clearly see this. |
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| Quote: | Kerry Campaign Seizes on Halliburton Probe
14 minutes ago
By CALVIN WOODWARD and TOM RAUM, Associated Press Writers
WASHINGTON - After days of trying to make political hay over lost Iraqi explosives, the Democratic ticket turned Friday to an FBI (news - web sites) probe of Halliburton as evidence of Bush administration special favors to special interests. President Bush (news - web sites) was campaigning with actor-politician Arnold Schwarzenegger (news - web sites).
"We need a president and a vice president of the United States who consistently stand up for the interests of the American people, and that's not what we're seeing right now," Democratic running mate John Edwards (news - web sites) said on CBS Friday morning.
Edwards was even more pointed Thursday night when he told 3,000 people at a Davenport, Iowa, rally, "You cannot stand with Halliburton, big oil companies and the Saudi royal family and still stand up for the American people."
Bush turned to a pair of American heroes for affirmation of his re-election bid. Retired Gen. Tommy Franks, who oversaw the combat in Afghanistan (news - web sites) and Iraq (news - web sites), saluted his old boss Thursday night. Bush also was getting the endorsement of freshly minted World Series (news - web sites) champion pitcher Curt Schilling. The Boston Red Sox player had planned to appear Friday with Bush, but his doctors advised him not to travel because of his injured ankle, Bush aides said.
After his appearance in New Hampshire, Bush was to share the stage in Ohio with California Gov. and movie star Schwarzenegger.
The stars that counted for Bush on Thursday were those earned by a lineup of retired military officers who joined him before a crowd of more than 10,000 in suburban Cleveland. Chief among the brass was Franks, who saluted Bush and said Kerry "disrespects our troops."
"God bless you, Tommy," Bush said as he took the microphone from him.
Kerry headed for Florida, his campaign sorting through a series of unwelcome developments for the Republicans.
This late in the game, any miscue is ripe for exploitation, and the Republicans committed a few — in one instance watching former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani explain himself after seeming to blame troops in Iraq for the missing explosives.
The Bush campaign, seeing an unusual opportunity to make gains on exotic Democratic turf, said Thursday that Cheney would go to Hawaii for a rally Sunday night, a striking investment of time and travel for a state Republicans have won only twice since statehood in 1959.
The Democrats weren't standing by. Al Gore (news - web sites), who won the state by nearly 20 points four years ago, was on his way to campaign there and so was Kerry's daughter Alex.
"We are competitive in the state; this is a very close race," Bush spokeswoman Anne Womack said, attributing growing GOP support to fears of terrorism in the tourist haven.
Kerry's running mate quickly went on the offensive when word came out that the FBI had begun investigating whether the Pentagon (news - web sites) improperly awarded no-bid Iraq reconstruction contracts to Halliburton Co., the Houston-based company formerly headed by Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites).
"At every turn for the past four years, George Bush (news - web sites) and Dick Cheney gave out special favors and looked out for their special interest friends," Edwards said.
Democrats long have accused the Bush administration of showing favoritism to Halliburton, but had trouble making the charges stick after congressional investigators found the company got no-bid contracts in part because no other firms could do the work.
Still, the matter is far from closed. Documents obtained by The Associated Press show FBI agents sought permission this week to interview Bunnatine Greenhouse, the Army Corps of Engineers' chief contracting officer who went public with allegations that her agency unfairly awarded contracts worth billions of dollars to Halliburton subsidiary KBR.
Almost everywhere that counted, polls found the race exceptionally close. Internal campaign polls found it closer still.
New battleground surveys suggested Kerry was leading in Ohio and Michigan, Bush was ahead in Florida and the two were tied in Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Oregon.
Bush told USA Today he hasn't spent any time worrying that the campaign could end with no clear winner, as the 2000 race notoriously did.
"It's important that everybody vote, it's important that the elections be fair, and it's important that the election end on election night," he said in an interview published Friday.
Kerry, also speaking with USA Today on Thursday, said he believes the outcome will be known Tuesday night, "just like I believed the Red Sox would win the World Series."
Bush launched a stinging character assault on Kerry, telling thousands in Saginaw, Mich., "a president cannot blow in the wind, a president must make tough decisions and stand by them."
Bush advisers said their candidate was making gains in internal polls until Kerry's relentless attack on the disappearance of nearly 400 tons of explosives from an Iraqi weapons dump — an occurrence dating from the fall of Baghdad last year that both sides acknowledge is not fully understood.
Franks counterpunched, saying troops have destroyed 240,000 tons of Iraqi munitions, control an additional 162,000 tons and have cleared 10,000 ammunition and weapons sites. He said Kerry has no standing to label Bush as negligent on the missing cache.
In an interview Thursday with "NBC Nightly News," Kerry said that if he'd been president then, "we might have gone to war," but he would have done so in a way that ensured "the American people weren't carrying the burden and the entire world understood."
Of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s fate, Kerry said: "It's absolutely impossible and irresponsible to suggest that if I were president, he wouldn't necessarily be gone. He might be gone. Because if he hadn't complied (with U.N. demands), we might have had to go to war."
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Associated Press writer Tom Raum, traveling with Bush, reported from Westlake, Ohio; AP writer Mary Dalrymple, traveling with Kerry, also contributed to this report
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JCJR
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Son of a VET wrote: | | Quote: | After days of trying to make political hay over lost Iraqi explosives, the Democratic ticket turned Friday to an FBI (news - web sites) probe of Halliburton as evidence of Bush administration special favors to special interests.
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"We need a president and a vice president of the United States who consistently stand up for the interests of the American people, and that's not what we're seeing right now," Democratic running mate John Edwards (news - web sites) said on CBS Friday morning.
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Dimsdale
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From Powerlineblog (http://powerlineblog.com/), some interesting data:
| Quote: | October 29, 2004
How Many Drums of Explosives Were There?
We're getting a lot of input from military personnel and others on the Al Qaqaa story. We're sifting through it, asking for more information, and will be posting updates throughout the day. In the meantime, Dafydd ab Hugh does some calculating and concludes that the famous KSTP photos are meaningless:
The amount of high explosive that the IAEA claimed to be missing is:
156 tons RDX (141.5 metric tons) - density 1.82 g/cc
215 tons HMX (195.0 metric tons) - density 1.91 g/cc
6.4 tons PETN (5.8 metric tons) - density 1.76 g/cc
This works out to about 173 million cubic centimeters, which is slightly more than 39,000 (dryweight) gallons. Assuming it was packed as tight as tight could be into 55-gallon drums, that would work out to about 714 drums.
...Did you see over seven hundred 55-gallon drums in any of those pictures, taken on April 18th, 2003 and displayed on the KSTP Website? In the shots I saw, I counted somewhat less than seventy... or less than one tenth the amount that should have been there. And even that assumes that every, last drum in that photo contains RDX, HMX, or PETN, while none contain conventional explosives, lyme, cauliflower, or vacuum-cleaner dust.
This is meaningless. Even if what they saw was high explosive, it's clearly only a remnant of what should have been there. The rest, one can only presume, was removed before the invasion -- which means removed on orders of Saddam Hussein.
UPDATE: Another reader emails:
As a retired Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) officer I have some problems with the Channel 5 story. It appears to me that they are in a bunker filled with blasting agents (slower detonation rates for moving rock, see link below on detonation rates) . First we see boosters, (they would commonly be inserted into a bag of ANFO(ammonium nitrate fuel oil) or nitro starch for blasting. Then we see what is described as dynamite but is more likely TNT or wrapped nitro starch (see GI story below) and lastly those big cardboard barrels which appear to be a white powder. Note the number beside the 1.1D placard on the barrel, it says 239. Now 239 may very well be the U. N. number system for ammunition and explosives (see first link below). The U. S. does not utilize the U. N. system nor does the former USSR or its satellites. When I was in Bosnia we put the Bosnians on the UN system to get some organization established for safety purposes. Please note the first site below from Australia and we can see they are most probably on the UN system: (239 NITROSTARCH, dry or wetted with less than 20% water, by mass). Common sense to me would be that HMX, one of the most powerful and expensive explosives WOULD NOT BE PACKAGED IN CARDBOARD BARRELS! Furthermore one of the barrels is already open as we see. The two "experts" certainly did not add ANYTHING to this story. |
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