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B.Green · Former Member Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 2

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You GottaBeKidding · Rear Admiral Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 692

B. Green,

I suspect you are a troll, but I'll try anyway.

No one is denying that atrocities were committed in Vietnam. The Swift Vets beef with Kerry is that Kerry claims to have witnessed atrocities committed on a daily basis. Since the only place he could have witnessed such atrocities is during the four months or so he was on a Swift boat, he is accusing his fellow Swift boat veterans of committing those atrocities.

If you can't understand the difference between atrocities being committed (but not every day and by a large number of people), which is what Kerry claims, and atrocities happening but not being widespread, that's your problem.

The truth is out there, but you are too blind to see it.

Chance · Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:02 pm Post subject:

I'm up early and feel the need to rspond to you!
My husband was in Viet Nam and for you to come on here and try to start trouble is reprehensible.
There are rotten eggs in every carton. My Lai happened, yes. Actions were taken. Kerry has NEVER been made to pay for his atrocities.
Take your s$$t disturbing somewhere else! These are GREAT people on this board!
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Tom Poole · Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:06 pm Post subject:

B.Green may be unable to grasp the difference between "all the time by everyone without prosecution" and "rarely by very few and prosecuted vigorously whenever detected." If so, he should shut up. If not, he's a troll. Either way, the effect will be the same. The gloves are OFF!
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CTW · Rear Admiral Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 691

Go to The Texas Tech Virtual Vietnam Archives and read for yourself who Kerry was collaborating with and whose message he brought to the US Senate. This is the first election in the history of the US that the American people will be voting for the communist agenda, and they don't even know. The Communist Party on their site stated they do not have to run another candidate because one of the Primary parties have them covered. This is truly a sad time for America. I know it is very difficult for people to think that a familiar person, running on a major party ticket, who has been in the Senate and was in the service could be against the Constitution and the democracy of America. It is true. Startling but true. John Kerry in all his speeches has told America who he is but many Americans do not understand his nuiance. "Strong internationalist" is the same as communist, "progressive people", progressive movement" is synonymous as communist (has been in all their propaganda for decades), he said that the laws by Supreme Court should rule us not the Consititution, that is communism, he said re: all his "plans" that the government or we would "allow you" well that is code for communism, the American Constitution states that we the people will allow the government to have powers as WE ALLOW THEM. Wake up People.
My children's father was a Marine and HE IS NOT A MURDERER OR BABY KILLER AND NEVER SAW ANY SUCH THING AND HE WAS THERE FOR A FULL TOUR. Kerry is a liar!

No one has denied that some horrific things happened in Vietnam but what so many shortsighted people miss is that the Viet Cong, our enemy and the communists who were trying to take over the S Vietanmese people, were the most cruel beings in history, Our troops saw them skin our soldiers alive, disembowel them, and so forth. Can you even begin to imagine what effect that had on them? Have you ever been that afraid? if not then you need to shut your mouth! Would you ever defend this country? I didn't think so. CTW

Never Ever Kerry

B.Green · Former Member Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 2

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USMCVet · Seaman Recruit Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 8

http://www.rjsmith.com/war_myth.html

Myth: American Atrocities Were Widespread

If they were they were covered up with extraordinary skill and precision. Only two documented cases of War Crimes can be attributed to American Military personnel. One was the senseless slaughter of civilians in March 1968 at the village of My Lai by the 1st platoon of Charlie Company, 1st Battalion 20th Infantry, 11th Light Infantry Brigade, 23rd Infantry Division (Americal). The other was the murder of 16 noncombatant women and children by five U.S. Marines of Bravo Company, 1st Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division, at a village named Son Thang-4, southwest of Danang, on 19 February 1970. In both cases there was a court martial, and in both cases the accused were found guilty.

In the case of Lt. William Calley, President Nixon stepped in and pardoned him after he had spent three years under house arrest. Why Nixon did this is unknown, but it is beyond belief that he would do such a thing. For the end result is a slap in the face to every Vietnam Veteran who did their job and served with honor by adhering to the Rules of Land Warfare of the 1949 Geneva Convention which set the rules of engagement and expressly forbid the type of behavior exhibited by Calley and the thugs he commanded. They were not soldiers. They were thugs.

But while these egregious crimes have been trotted out at every opportunity by the anti-war movement, very little attention was paid to the horrendous atrocities committed by the North Vietnamese Army and the Viet Cong on their own people. One of the end results of the 1968 Tet offensive was the deliberate roundup and murder of as many as 5,000 South Vietnamese civilians--doctors, teachers, lawyers, businessmen--by the NVA/VC during the periods that they held territory. The most widespread atrocities occurred in the Imperial city of Hue. There alone the Communists killed over 3,000 South Vietnamese. This behavior was not widely reported by the press, and either ignored by the anti-war movement at best, or justified by them as necessary in a socialist revolution.

Additionally, not much of a fuss has been made over the intentional murder of American civilians (including missionaries and USAID workers) captured and murdered by the North Vietnamese. U.S. POWs did not fair any better. Those that were not murdered were systematically tortured by the North Vietnamese. Although these atrocities qualify as war crimes under the Geneva Convention, the lunatic fringe of the radical left condones those acts as "justifiable".

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Papa Yolk · Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:28 pm Post subject:

Look around. We are Americans. Our sons and daughters, parents and grandparents, all share a common culture. Those who immigrate to our land are soon Americanized. We have fought in many wars. How is it we have let the propagandist convince many that somehow one slice of a generation between those who served in Korea and those shedding their blood in the Middle East today were a different people, a host of barbarian spawn? Simple logic says otherwise. Look around. Where have these barbarians fled? Where are their offspring? I only see my fellow Americans, not the phantom monsters conjured by the propagandist. If you would see a culture capable of producing such beasts, look east.

drjohn · Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:28 pm Post subject:

Troll.

"Carried out on a day to day basis with the knowledge of officers at all levels of command."

That's pretty inclusive.

USMCVet · Seaman Recruit Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 8