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RocketFett
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:13 pm    Post subject: Threatening e-mail from kerry supporter, everyone get it? Reply with quote

Someone must be REALLY scared about the SWIFT Vets movement, and the truth it carries with it. I had the e-mail below in my in box, which I'm betting every person that's a member got:

"Swift Boat Vets are Dishonest, Dishonorable, UnPatriotic LIARS.

Senator John McCain has labled your group as "Dishonest" and without "Honor" and so do we,

We are starting to Indentify this entire group of "Smear Boat Vets". We know you are not real vets or men who actually served in Combat, much like the Liars on your Ad our in your book. As the book of lies against Senator Kerry is released next week, so shall we start releasing your emails and home phone #s and address's along with work phone #s when available. We want all Americans to know who is spreading these lies and funding them and to be able to contact you if they have questions. We thank your group for providing us with this list.

Patriotic Veterans for Truth."


So, suddenly, everyone who does not check their brain a the door and support kerry, is a lying unpatriotic so and so. This is amazing! And I think very funny. These people are SCARED TO DEATH! Sending lawyers to every tv and radio station in the country to coerce them not to air the ad, threatening a law suit if the do, isn't enough for them. Now they have to threaten the members of the site. "Shut up, OR ELSE!". Well up theirs! I'm an American damnit! I have the same rights these communist p****s have! My father fought and bled for this country and I won't let these lying b******s intimidate me! They want a fight, they'll have one! No one can threaten the truth into being silent! They must be terrified of the truth that these brave veterans bring with their public ad. If they weren't scared, they wouldn't be resorting to the strong arm of last resort. Threats of some type of harm if you keep speaking up. Someone needs to educate them that the First Amendment is a two way street!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll compare my DD-214 with them anytime they wish. That is, if they even know what a DD-214 is Laughing

Haven't gotten the email yet, waiting.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds to me like a challenge... Put up or shut up kind...

DD214?... Put up the 201 file that answers questions quick.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep that's the one I'm getting from

swiftboatvetsareliars@yahoo.com

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Threatening e-mail from kerry supporter, everyone get it Reply with quote

RocketFett wrote:
Someone must be REALLY scared about the SWIFT Vets movement, and the truth it carries with it. I had the e-mail below in my in box, which I'm betting every person that's a member got:


Can you please post the headers of the email (the items that show the mail servers that the email was sent between).

I can help determine where the email was sent from if you post those. Maybe others can as well.

If you do, delete your email address out of it (if you haven't posted your email address to the web before).

If it was sent from a Yahoo account, for example, the headers will contain the location of the machine that sent the email.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The counter insurgency has begun. I expect an anti-swift boat site to pop up very soon.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Threatening e-mail from kerry supporter, everyone get it Reply with quote

Q Nick wrote:
RocketFett wrote:
Someone must be REALLY scared about the SWIFT Vets movement, and the truth it carries with it. I had the e-mail below in my in box, which I'm betting every person that's a member got:


Can you please post the headers of the email (the items that show the mail servers that the email was sent between).

I can help determine where the email was sent from if you post those. Maybe others can as well.


I have not received one of these. However, this is a threatening E-mail message (threatens to commit harassment) and could easily be cause for loss of the sender's E-mail account. I have been active in fighting spam and I know how to read a header.

Perhaps law enforcement should be contacted as well in case this rises to the level of a criminal violation (threat to commit stalking or a similar crime). Does Swiftvets have a lawyer who could give professional advice on this?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:08 pm    Post subject: Threatening e-mail with headers Reply with quote

Q Nick / Bill Levinson, I can certainly post it all for you, with great pleasure! Smile

X-Apparently-To: rocketfett@yahoo.com via 66.218.93.28; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:17:14 -0700
X-Originating-IP: [216.155.196.152]
Return-Path: <swiftboatvetsareliars@yahoo.com>
Received: from 216.155.196.152 (HELO web61309.mail.yahoo.com) (216.155.196.152) by mta132.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:17:13 -0700
Message-ID: <20040807211713.85493.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
Received: from [65.24.84.62] by web61309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:17:13 PDT
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:17:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Swift Boat Vets Dishonorable" <swiftboatvetsareliars@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book
Subject: Swift Boat Vets are Dishonest, Dishonorable, UnPatriotic LIARS.
To: (about 50 e-mail addys of members were here. Don't want to make it easy for some loser to harvest them again.) Smile
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-72299075-1091913433=:83328"
Content-Length: 747


Swift Boat Vets are Dishonest, Dishonorable, UnPatriotic LIARS.

Senator John McCain has labled your group as "Dishonest" and without "Honor" and so do we,

We are starting to Indentify this entire group of "Smear Boat Vets". We know you are not real vets or men who actually served in Combat, much like the Liars on your Ad our in your book. As the book of lies against Senator Kerry is released next week, so shall we start releasing your emails and home phone #s and address's along with work phone #s when available. We want all Americans to know who is spreading these lies and funding them and to be able to contact you if they have questions. We thank your group for providing us with this list.

Patriotic Veterans for Truth.


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These guys are such total and complete losers! I swear I expect this person to be Boston or some crap like that! LOSERS! Now, with this GREAT ad being out, algore and lurch kerry have something else in common. They both have lawyers go threaten people and try to censor them when things don't go like they wanted.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Admin note:

Let's hold course and leave the crud to the opposition.

Thanks

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Threatening e-mail with headers Reply with quote

RocketFett wrote:
Q Nick / Bill Levinson, I can certainly post it all for you, with great pleasure! Smile

X-Apparently-To: rocketfett@yahoo.com via 66.218.93.28; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:17:14 -0700
X-Originating-IP: [216.155.196.152]
Return-Path: <swiftboatvetsareliars@yahoo.com>
Received: from 216.155.196.152 (HELO web61309.mail.yahoo.com) (216.155.196.152) by mta132.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:17:13 -0700
Message-ID: <20040807211713.85493.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
Received: from [65.24.84.62] by web61309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:17:13 PDT
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:17:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Swift Boat Vets Dishonorable" <swiftboatvetsareliars@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book
Subject: Swift Boat Vets are Dishonest, Dishonorable, UnPatriotic LIARS.
To: (about 50 e-mail addys of members were here. Don't want to make it easy for some loser to harvest them again.) Smile
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-72299075-1091913433=:83328"
Content-Length: 747


Any U.S. IP (internet protocol) address can be looked up at http://www.arin.net/whois (europe & asia also have analogous services).

The relevant one in the header here is: 65.24.84.62 (others are Yahoo)

This translates to an ISP, Road Runner:
OrgName: Road Runner
OrgID: RRMA
Address: 13241 Woodland Park Road
City: Herndon
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 20171
Country: US

Road Runner URL: http://content.rr.com/rdrun/com_contact.htm

Road Runner abuse reports to:
TechHandle: ZS30-ARIN
TechName: ServiceCo LLC
TechPhone: +1-703-345-3416
TechEmail: abuse@rr.com

Assuming the email origination address was not faked, that is.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Threatening e-mail with headers Reply with quote

Those headers show the following...

This part is the email travelling through the Yahoo email system:

Received: from 216.155.196.152 (HELO web61309.mail.yahoo.com) (216.155.196.152) by mta132.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:17:13 -0700

And this part is the part that started it. The email was received from "65.24.84.62" by yahoo's email server (web61309):

Message-ID: <20040807211713.85493.qmail@web61309.mail.yahoo.com>
Received: from [65.24.84.62] by web61309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:17:13 PDT

So, the email originated at the 65.24.84.62 IP address.

So, who owns that IP address?

A whois can tell you who owns it. You can use this web page:

http://www.arin.net/whois/

To see who owns that IP. When I type in that IP, I get:

rgName: Road Runner
OrgID: RRMA
Address: 13241 Woodland Park Road
City: Herndon
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 20171
Country: US

ReferralServer: rwhois://ipmt.rr.com:4321

That tells us the IP is one of "Road Runner'"s IP addresses, likely in or around Herndon VA.

Road Runner is a Cable Modem provider that people use to access the Internet.

http://www.rr.com/rdrun/

So, it was sent by someone using a Road Runner cable modem in or around Herndon VA with the above IP address.

To get more information, you would need to talk with the Road Runner ISP.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm! Close to DNC headquarters isn't it?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ASPB wrote:
Hmmm! Close to DNC headquarters isn't it?


I would not assume location. Road Runner is an ISP that provides services in a number of states, apparently.

The Road Runner sysops can track down the origins of the message, possibly.

This amatuerish email looks like the work of a teenager, I would bet.

I did not get it, apparently because I keep my email address hidden. This implies someone just harvested the available addresses off this site.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:55 pm    Post subject: location Reply with quote

fortdixlover wrote:
ASPB wrote:
Hmmm! Close to DNC headquarters isn't it?


I would not assume location. Road Runner is an ISP that provides services in a number of states, apparently.


I agree (and you beat me to it) but with some more searching, I found this site:

http://www.infohq.com/Computer/Spam/finding-hackers-isp-using-ip-address.htm

and that led me here:

http://network-tools.com/default.asp?

And when I type in the IP address there, I seem to get a specific Road Runner location:

dhcp065-024-084-062.columbus.rr.com

and the path to it shows:

13 39 39 39 66.185.133.10 rr-cincinnati.atdn.net
14 42 42 42 65.25.128.230 pos13-0.clmboh1-rtr3.columbus.rr.com
15 42 42 42 65.25.129.97 srp0-0.clmboh1-rtr1.columbus.rr.com
16 43 43 43 24.95.81.131 srp0-0.dblnoh1-rtr1.columbus.rr.com
17 45 43 43 24.95.81.89 pos2-0.dblnoh1-ubr3.columbus.rr.com
18 44 44 44 24.95.82.10 dblnoh1-mcr1.columbus.rr.com

So, it goes through Cincinnati and then ends up in Columbus.

So, that must mean Columbus, Ohio.

So, I take back my Herndon because, as you say, RR has lots of locations.

This one looks like Columbus, Ohio.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:02 am    Post subject: SBVT attack on entire military not just kerry Reply with quote

Went to www.democratunderground.com (which is now www.**).

On the Kerry-Edwards site, they posted a suggestion that SBVT is not an attack on Kerry but an attack on the entire military.
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