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sleeplessinseattle
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 Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:51 pm Post subject: Update: Europe and Islam AND are there moderate Muslims?? |
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Is Europe starting to, being forced to, come to grips with Islamo-Terrorism?
Of course, we all feared the sort of attack that happened in the Spanish commuter trains which did not happen here ahead of our elections - thank God. But the softness of the European stance is already being tested...these death cultists know nothing but the idea that death will bring them glory. If you plan to live on this earth, you must oppose this - and with all that is in you...
It is a fierce fight that we're enjoined...
Pray for the Marines in Fallujah!
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| Quote: | Netherlands braces for 'jihad'
By Anthony Deutsch
ASSOCIATED PRESS
THE HAGUE — The Dutch government yesterday vowed tough measures against what a leading politician called "the arrival of jihad in the Netherlands" after a death threat to a Dutch lawmaker was found spiked with a knife to the body of a slain filmmaker by his radical Muslim attacker.
A five-page letter released Thursday night by the justice minister forced political leaders — including Amsterdam's Jewish mayor and members of parliament — to take on bodyguards.
The document, attached to the body of filmmaker Theo van Gogh, was titled "An Open Letter to [Aayan] Hirsi Ali," referring to a Somali-born member of parliament. She had scripted Mr. van Gogh's latest film, "Submission," which criticized the treatment of women under Islam.
Miss Hirsi Ali, who calls herself an ex-Muslim, has gone into hiding.
"Death, Ms. Hirsi Ali, is the common theme of all that exists. You and the rest of the cosmos cannot escape this truth," the letter said.
"There will come a day when one soul cannot help another soul. A day that goes paired with terrible tortures, ... when the unjust will press horrible screams from their lungs.
"Screams, Ms. Hirsi Ali, that will cause chills to run down a person's back, and make the hairs on their heads stand straight up. People will be drunk with fear, while they are not drunken. Fear will fill the air on the Great Day," the letter said.
"I know definitely that you, Oh America, will go down. I know definitely that you, Oh Europe, will go down. I know definitely that you, Oh Netherlands, will go down. I know definitely that you, Oh Hirsi Ali, will go down," it said.
Deputy Prime Minister Gerrit Zalm agreed with comments by other politicians who called Mr. van Gogh's slaying a declaration of Islamic jihad, or "holy war."
"We are not going to tolerate this. We are going to ratchet up the fight against this sort of terrorism," he said. "The increase in radicalization is worse than we had thought."
Among measures under consideration is an emergency law to enable authorities to revoke the Dutch nationality of dual citizens suspected of terrorist activity so that they can be deported.
Mr. Zalm said the intelligence service, which already has expanded since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the United States, would receive more funding to help it monitor potential terrorist recruits.
The suspected killer in the van Gogh case, a 26-year-old Dutch-Moroccan national, was arraigned on six terrorism-related charges.
Mr. van Gogh, a descendant of 19th-century Dutch painter Vincent van Gogh, was fatally shot and stabbed Tuesday while cycling down an Amsterdam street. The remains of the provocative social commentator and author, whose throat was slashed in the attack, will be cremated Tuesday in a public service.
The slaying is testing already strained relations between the ethnic Dutch population and the Muslim community. There are about 300,000 Moroccan immigrants in the Netherlands out of a population of 16 million.
Mr. Zalm said talks were ongoing with Muslim groups over how to avoid a violent backlash against Muslims.
Arsonists are believed to have set fire to a mosque in the central Dutch city of Utrecht, police spokesman Peter Keijzers said. There were no reports of injuries.
Jozias van Aartsen, parliamentary speaker for the nationalist People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD), the second-largest party in the government of Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, issued a statement that called Mr. van Gogh's slaying tantamount to a declaration of war.
"The jihad has come to the Netherlands and a small group of jihadist terrorists is attacking the principles of our country," he said. "I hope the Netherlands will now move beyond denial and do what is fitting in a democracy — take action.
"These people don't want to change our society, they want to destroy it," he said.
The terrorist threat left by Mr. van Gogh's killer carries the ideology of a terrorist movement, Takfir wal Hijra or "Repentance and Flight," which advocates isolation from what it calls the sinful world, Dutch press reported.
Chief prosecutor Leo de Wit said the suspected killer, identified only as Mohammed B., faces at least six terrorism-related counts, including charges of murder and "participating in a criminal organization with terrorist characteristics."
The suspect, wounded in the leg in a shootout with police, has refused to talk to investigators. He was arrested with a note in his pocket titled "Drenched in Blood."
Authorities arrested eight other suspects in Mr. van Gogh's slaying and are looking into any links between the suspects and foreign terrorist groups.
Two suspects were released, Mr. de Wit said yesterday. Six will be charged with conspiring to commit murder, he said.
Prosecutors said all are Islamic radicals of North African ancestry. Four also were arrested Oct. 23 on suspicion of plotting a terrorist attack but were released for lack of evidence. Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner told parliament the four had contacts with a suspect in last year's Casablanca bombings. |
It doesn't get reported much, but from what I've seen the Dutch appear to be on our side. |
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This only helps Bush. It shows the world that this war IS real and that we HAVE to fight it or the radical Islamofascists will take over.
Their goal is world domination. Make no mistake about it. They won't stop until they are exterminated like the vermin they are. |
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SIS and MIT:
You read my mind. We must have been thinking about the same issue at the exact same time. The appeasers get burnt---again.
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msindependent
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A blog in english from one of the most tolerant countries in the world.
http://www.zachtei.nl/ |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:30 am Post subject: Surrender or Die |
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The Euros are surrounded by the enemy and are ready to capitulate to save their liberal asses. Look at where the Sep 11th hijackers were plotting and making their contacts.
Millions of Muslim extremists are plotting the takeover of Europe from the inside out.
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sleeplessinseattle
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: Surrender or Die |
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| PhantomSgt wrote: | The Euros are surrounded by the enemy and are ready to capitulate to save their liberal asses. Look at where the Sep 11th hijackers were plotting and making their contacts.
Millions of Muslim extremists are plotting the takeover of Europe from the inside out. |
The question is what, if anything, will the Euros do? When you say capitulate - what do you mean? Allow a Muslim govt?....I can't imagine that - I think they'd shed blood before that...the Muslims are creating a world war scenario - I suppose some Muslims think this good...can any Muslim defend this? Are we forcing them to?
Does anyone know of the complicity of groups like CAIR and American Muslim Council with terrorism and having people on their staffs convicted of being involved with terrorism...next time you hear of a survey or a press release from CAIR, for example, please know that they have five staff people at various levels that have been arrested/convicted of terror ties...it's really scandalous and not often enough discussed...
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/32
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/
Or if you're so inclined you can go to the CAIR site and take the Ramadan Challenge and help them raise $1 million...now that really concerns me...
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msindependent
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| Quote: | At least foreigners get to see 'Submission'
For sure, there's not a Dutch tv station that dares to broadcast Submission anymore, the film that Theo van Gogh made in conjunction with MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and which takes a critical view of the treatment of women in Islam. It's a good thing then that the Dutch travel a lot. If they happen to be in Australia, Japan, Canada, France or Denmark, they can see it there. Stations in all of those countries bought the broadcasting rights after the murder of Van Gogh. Israel, the UK, the USA and Denmark had done so before.
Of course, you could just download it.
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Radical Islam is like a cancer. It's spreading throughout the whole world like an insidious parasite. It's sneaky.
...and like cancer there is only one way to deal with it. Cut it out and then burn what's left behind.
This is truly a world war, just not a conventional one. |
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sleeplessinseattle
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| Inatizzy wrote: | Radical Islam is like a cancer. It's spreading throughout the whole world like an insidious parasite. It's sneaky.
...and like cancer there is only one way to deal with it. Cut it out and then burn what's left behind.
This is truly a world war, just not a conventional one. |
Another key question - what will Muslims of good will do about Radical Islam (what percentages are we talking about here of the 1+ Billion Muslims?) If you look at all the groups condemning the Fallujah assault one thing comes to mind - where are all these groups (from Great Britain and elsewhere) when Zarqawi is beheading people with his stupid kitchen knife - the a$$hole...? WHERE ARE THEY? Where are the Muslims of goodwill??
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Inatizzy
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| sleeplessinseattle wrote: | | Inatizzy wrote: | Radical Islam is like a cancer. It's spreading throughout the whole world like an insidious parasite. It's sneaky.
...and like cancer there is only one way to deal with it. Cut it out and then burn what's left behind.
This is truly a world war, just not a conventional one. |
Another key question - what will Muslims of good will do about Radical Islam (what percentages are we talking about here of the 1+ Billion Muslims?) If you look at all the groups condemning the Fallujah assault one thing comes to mind - where are all these groups (from Great Britain and elsewhere) when Zarqawi is beheading people with his stupid kitchen knife - the a$$hole...? WHERE ARE THEY? Where are the Muslims of goodwill?? |
See, that's the sneaky part about Islam. The so called "good will" Muslims will only be "good will" so long as they are in the minority in a country. As soon as they are the majority, then JIHAD is declared and it's "convert or die". That is what their religion teaches. It teaches that you LIE to the infidel and make him believe you are his friend, until you can get the upper hand on him. Then if he won't convert, he dies. Period.
Make no mistake about it. The Islam religion, as based on the teachings of the Koran, is a world domination religion. It's not like Christianity that teaches that you tell people about Jesus and if they want to reject Him, then they reject Him and you go on your way.
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sleeplessinseattle
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| Inatizzy wrote: | | sleeplessinseattle wrote: | | Inatizzy wrote: | Radical Islam is like a cancer. It's spreading throughout the whole world like an insidious parasite. It's sneaky.
...and like cancer there is only one way to deal with it. Cut it out and then burn what's left behind.
This is truly a world war, just not a conventional one. |
Another key question - what will Muslims of good will do about Radical Islam (what percentages are we talking about here of the 1+ Billion Muslims?) If you look at all the groups condemning the Fallujah assault one thing comes to mind - where are all these groups (from Great Britain and elsewhere) when Zarqawi is beheading people with his stupid kitchen knife - the a$$hole...? WHERE ARE THEY? Where are the Muslims of goodwill?? |
See, that's the sneaky part about Islam. The so called "good will" Muslims will only be "good will" so long as they are in the minority in a country. As soon as they are the majority, then JIHAD is declared and it's "convert or die". That is what their religion teaches. It teaches that you LIE to the infidel and make him believe you are his friend, until you can get the upper hand on him. Then if he won't convert, he dies. Period.
Make no mistake about it. The Islam religion, as based on the teachings of the Koran, is a world domination religion. It's not like Christianity that teaches that you tell people about Jesus and if they want to reject Him, then they reject Him and you go on your way.
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While I'm not yet totally convinced of this, I'm wondering about this more and more - I cannot find organized groups of moderate Mulsims who are actively opposing the radicals...they all seem deathly (probably apt) silent! The problem with Islam seems to be in its writings, teachings and practice - that all a religion has! That means Islam as a religion is in grave trouble...
Even if you're an atheist (say Betrand Russell), at least Christianity hangs together logically to present opposing philisophical presuppositions as opposed to this convert or die crap. At this point, the fundamental and utter differences between Christianity and Islam are clearly evident - two of the world's greatest monotheistic religions.
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Inatizzy
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| sleeplessinseattle wrote: | | Inatizzy wrote: | | sleeplessinseattle wrote: | | Inatizzy wrote: | Radical Islam is like a cancer. It's spreading throughout the whole world like an insidious parasite. It's sneaky.
...and like cancer there is only one way to deal with it. Cut it out and then burn what's left behind.
This is truly a world war, just not a conventional one. |
Another key question - what will Muslims of good will do about Radical Islam (what percentages are we talking about here of the 1+ Billion Muslims?) If you look at all the groups condemning the Fallujah assault one thing comes to mind - where are all these groups (from Great Britain and elsewhere) when Zarqawi is beheading people with his stupid kitchen knife - the a$$hole...? WHERE ARE THEY? Where are the Muslims of goodwill?? |
See, that's the sneaky part about Islam. The so called "good will" Muslims will only be "good will" so long as they are in the minority in a country. As soon as they are the majority, then JIHAD is declared and it's "convert or die". That is what their religion teaches. It teaches that you LIE to the infidel and make him believe you are his friend, until you can get the upper hand on him. Then if he won't convert, he dies. Period.
Make no mistake about it. The Islam religion, as based on the teachings of the Koran, is a world domination religion. It's not like Christianity that teaches that you tell people about Jesus and if they want to reject Him, then they reject Him and you go on your way.
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While I'm not yet totally convinced of this, I'm wondering about this more and more - I cannot find organized groups of moderate Mulsims who are actively opposing the radicals...they all seem deathly (probably apt) silent! The problem with Islam seems to be in its writings, teachings and practice - that all a religion has! That means Islam as a religion is in grave trouble...
Even if you're an atheist (say Betrand Russell), at least Christianity hangs together logically to present opposing philisophical presuppositions as opposed to this convert or die crap. At this point, the fundamental and utter differences between Christianity and Islam are clearly evident - two of the world's greatest monotheistic religions. |
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