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Rdtf
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 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:21 pm Post subject: China charges U.S. monopolizes the Internet, seeks global co |
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from Drudge:
China charges U.S. monopolizes the Internet, seeks global control
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/05/breaking2453432.0569444443.html
Special to World Tribune.com
EAST-ASIA-INTEL.COM
Wednesday, March 2, 2005
China's ambassador to the United Nations last week called for international controls on the Internet.
Chinese Ambassador Sha Zukang told a UN conference that controls should be multilateral, transparent and democratic, with the full involvement of governments, the private sector, civil society and international organizations.
"It should ensure an equitable distribution of resources, facilitate access for all and ensure a stable and secure functioning," he said at the conference on Internet governance.
Sha said China opposes the "monopolization" of the Internet by one state, a reference to the Untied States, which ultimately controls the digital medium.
"It is of crucial importance to conduct research on establishing a multilateral governance mechanism that is more rational and just and more conducive to the Internet development in a direction of stable, secure and responsible functioning and more conducive to the continuous technological innovation," he said.
China's communist government fears the Internet would dilute Beijing's control over its population, as information passes unfiltered throughout the country and outside of strict government censorship.
China strictly prohibits any public criticism of the ruling communist party and closely monitors and censors Internet usage. Periodically, Chinese security forces raid Internet cafes and arrest people who violate Chinese rules.
Sha said China has 94 million Internet users out of a worldwide total of about 810 million.
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LewWaters
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Why shouldn't we monopolize it? After all, it was one of our very own Americans that invented it  
Maybe they need to complain louder to Algore?
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GM Strong
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Algore may have sold part interest to some Monks and they want their share now.
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Bob51
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: China charges U.S. monopolizes the Internet, seeks globa |
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| Rdtf wrote: | | China's communist government fears the Internet would dilute Beijing's control over its population, as information passes unfiltered throughout the country and outside of strict government censorship. |
And they should fear their loss of control, even veterans are using the Internet to correct Beijing's revisionism.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/03/01/news/vietnam.html
| Quote: | | Today, veterans often cling to these explanations but also fume about being used as cannon fodder in a cynical political game. "We were sacrificed for politics, and it's not just me who feels this way: Lots of comrades do, and we communicate our thoughts via the Internet," |
On the veteran's response to his twelve year old daughter, does that ring true with the veterans here? It just sounds a bit unlikely... |
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DLI78
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Bob51,
It sounds exactly like what I would expect from a Chinese. My in-laws respond the same way to inconvenient questions. A parent to child reply can be that blunt. It isn't as harsh as it sounds in English.
The part I doubt is:
| Quote: | | we communicate our thoughts via the Internet," said Xu Ke, a 40-year-old former infantryman |
The government there monitors as much internet traffic as they can (and they have unlimited manpower to do it and complete control of all means of connecting to the internet).
If the vets there are using the internet to complain to each other about China's government, sooner or later they will end up in "reform through labor" camps. That's the system they use when they don't feel like wasting time and money on formal charges, trials, and all that other stuff we expect here. And you're in the camp until they get tired of looking at you.
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Bob51
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| Lotsa_Static wrote: | Bob51,
It sounds exactly like what I would expect from a Chinese. My in-laws respond the same way to inconvenient questions. A parent to child reply can be that blunt. It isn't as harsh as it sounds in English. |
Lotsa_Static,
I asked someone else here about this and here is part of his reply
| Quote: | | One interesting point for you. The quote from the soldier who said to his daughter who asked about his war experience 'It's none of your business' interests me. He may well have said: 'He ni meiyou guanxi.' Word-for-word, that is: With you, (there is) no connection. (Do you recognise that old word 'Guanxi'?) It can be translated in two ways: 'It does not concern you,' meaning 'Don't worry.' or it could mean 'It is none of your business so shut up.' Without hearing the tone it is impossible to know. |
Would your in-laws agree with that?
Agree totally with your concern about anyone expressing views via China's Internet. It's a vicious circle since knowledge about the extent of the monitoring can only be passed outside of Internet communication so most citizens won't know.
There are, as you probably know, persistent rumours that some very well-known U.S. telecommunications vendors put filtering and monitoring capability into the backbone routers at China's request.
On the other hand, some commentators are apparently very smart at making sharp political observations in a way that wouldn't trigger simple keyword scanners. Chinese has a lot of scope for vagueness and wordplay and time favours the younger set who keep pushing the envelope.
Cheers
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Who cares what the Chinese Government says about the internet or anything else? Boycott China until they accept Taiwan's surrender terms.
I will never understand why we support a ruthless communist economy so they can buy weapons to shoot back at us. Pretty dumb eh?
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: China charges U.S. monopolizes the Internet, seeks globa |
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| Rdtf wrote: | | Chinese Ambassador Sha Zukang told a UN conference that controls should be , multilateral, transparent and democratic, with the full involvement of governments, multilateral, transparent and democraticthe private sector, civil society and international organizations. |
That has got to one of the funniest statement I have ever heard. Apparently, the only thing the government of China wants to see Democratic is the internet. It's a good thing Bill Clinton couldn't sell China the internet, or none of us would be posting here today.
China is our enemy as was proven in the Chinese Book "Unrestricted Warfare" released in 1999. We were just discussing China and that great Chinese company named Walmart in another post.
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