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[PhantomSgt]

My bet is that someone that has the will to continue John Paul's work eliminating communism from the face of the earth. There may one Cardinal "in petto" who hails from China, Bishop Joseph Zen Ze-kiun, may have been appointed as a secret cardinal by the Pope in 2003.

The pontification of Zen Ze-kiun would set the asian world alight with hope of freedom for billions and would add many conversions along the way.


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Retired AF E-8

Independent that leans right of center.

[greasepaint]

another election...wonderful...just what we need

[GM Strong]

At least Florida Courts won't be involved. Only the hierarchy of the RC church will decide. No recounts.
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[PhantomSgt]

[PhantomSgt]

Does anyone else care to speculate where the next Pope will come from? They have a tough act to follow that is for sure.

I often wondered if God had a plan when Pope John Paul the First died just thirty three days after taking over the church. Why did a unknown Polish Cardinal rise to the top of the list, when his name was never mentioned before? Was there divine intervention in the selection process?

I believe it can be said that Pope John Paul the Second was appointed directly by the hand of God and he made a fine selection for us all.


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Retired AF E-8

Independent that leans right of center.

[GenrXr]

The next Pope will probably be Cardinal Ratzinger. He is a conservative and the church needs conservative leadership as opposed to liberal thinking. They barely avoided a split within the church in America over the sexual abuse cover-ups and are hard pressed to clean up the American problem as well as re-affirm the churches conservative dogma. He is also old and would not hold onto the papacy for a long period of time, which I believe is crucial to the thinking of papal election at this time. The Cardinals know they must appoint a conservative, yet wish for a short tenure. Many of them have grand ideas, but now is not the time for grand ideas. Just my thought.
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"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing." Edmund Burke (1729-1797), Founder of Conservative Philosophy

[PhantomSgt]

[tony54]

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[tony54]

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[SBD]

I hope it is the Cardinal from China, maybe Rice's visit to that Church in China was a sign of things to come!!

I am thinking that they may elect a pope from South America. The largest population of Catholics is in South America but the Far Left rhetoric there has reached Frenzy stages in some places which gives me some concern. Venenzuela has started a policy of redistributing wealth and has embraced Karl Marx to the point of giving speaches wearing a red shirt with the likeness of Marxist revolutionary Che Guevara emblazoned on it. Brazil is also leaning in this direction and they have the largest Catholic Population in the world.

I'm afraid we might need to fight Communism a little closer to home than China. I just hope that if they do elect a Pope from South America, that they aren't fooled into picking a false one.

SBD

[SBD]

Reprinted from NewsMax.com

Sunday, April 3, 2005 6:01 p.m. EDT

Saint's Prophecy: Only Two Popes Remain

When the cardinals of the world pick John Paul II's successor, they may well be choosing the next-to-last pope.

The pope who then follows this choice in the Chair of St. Peter will be the last pope, and after his reign Rome will be destroyed.

Such has been the prophecy of St. Malachy, an Irish bishop who at his death in 1148 A.D. was discovered to have left behind a prophetic list of all future popes beginning with Pope Celestine II, whose papacy began in 1143 A.D.

Malachy included a single line in Latin identifying a characteristic of each pope.

Historians say Malachy's prediction – wherein he listed just 112 popes – has been amazingly accurate.

According to his list, there are just two more popes after the late John Paul II.

Here are the seven last popes as identified from St. Malachy's list:

106. Pius XII 1939 - 1958
Eugenio Pacelli
Pastor Angelicus
Translated: An Angelic Shepherd

107. John XXIII 1968 - 1963
Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli
Pastor Et Natua
Translated: Pastor and Mariner

108. Paul VI 1963 - 1978
Giovanni Battista Montini
Flos Florum
Translated: Flower of Flowers

109. John Paul I 1978 - 1978
Albino Luciani
De Medietate Lunae
Translated: Of the Half Moon

110. John Paul II 1978 - 2005
Karol Jozef Wojtyla
De Labore Solis
Translated: From the Toil of the Sun

111. The next pope
"Gloria Olivae"
Translated: The Glory of the Olive

112. The last pope!
"Petrus Romanus"
Translated: Peter the Roman

Wrote St. Malachy of the last pope: "In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge the people. The End."

According to his biographer St. Bernard of Clairvaux, in his book "Life of Saint Malachy," the saint was known to have the gift of prophesy and had even predicted the exact day and hour of his own death. Saint Malachy was canonized in 1190 by Pope Clement III.

While in Rome in 1139, Saint Malachy is said to have gone into a trance and received a vision in which he foresaw all the popes from the death of Innocent II until the end of time.

Afterward he wrote a few words about each pope and gave the manuscript to Pope Innocent II, who is said to have deposited it in Vatican Archives, where it lay forgotten until it was discovered in 1590 and published. At the time, some questioned its authenticity and it has been the subject of debate ever since.

The manuscript contains 112 prophecies, which scholars have matched with each of the 110 popes and anti-popes since Innocent II .

Here are the prophecies for the most recent popes:

# Paul VI. The words of the 108th prophecy are "Flos Florum" (Flower of Flowers). The 108th pope after Innocent II was Paul VI (1963-7. His coat of arms included three fleurs-de-lis (iris blossoms).

# John Paul I. The 109th is "De Medietate Lunae" (Of the Half Moon). The corresponding pope was John Paul I (1978-7, who was born in the diocese of Belluno (beautiful moon) and was baptized Albino Luciani (white light). He became pope on August 26, 1978, when the moon appeared exactly half full. It was in its waning phase. He died the following month, soon after an eclipse of the moon.

# John Paul II. The 110th is "De Labore Solis" (Of the Solar Eclipse, or From the Toil of the Sun). The corresponding pope was John Paul II (1978-2005). John Paul II was born on May 8, 1920 during an eclipse of the sun. Like the sun, he came out of the East (Poland). Like the sun, he visited countries all around the globe.

Today the final two prophecies are yet to be fulfilled:

The 111th prophecy is "Gloria Olivae" (The Glory of the Olive). The meaning of the olive is unclear. The Order of Saint Benedict – not St. Malachy – has claimed that this pope will come from its ranks and Saint Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its final fight against evil.

The 112th prophecy says, "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman), who will feed his flock amid many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people.

SBD

[DLI78]

Guys,

I'm a protestant, and not overly involved in that religion. But I respected Pope John Paul II, and I hope for your church's sake the cardinals elect somebody who will carry on with your traditions.

Like Rush was blabbering about today, it's important for the Church to stick to its traditions. If you want priests to marry, if you want female priests, if you want gay priests, start another church. If you choose to be a Catholic, then follow the church's traditions. If you can't handle that, then choose another church.

Or if you're in La-La-Land (California), and if you settle north of LA, then start your own cult/church. Just don't try to pollute my family and friends. (I'm well armed and I'm a good shot.)
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DLI 78
Army Linguist
1978-1986

[PhantomSgt]

[srmorton]

Anyone who does not believe that God has a plan and purpose for
everything needs only to think about the juxtaposition of the cruel
death by starvation of a good Catholic girl and the gentle "going home"
of one of greatest Popes to ever lead the Catholic Church. This was
not an accident, just as the untimely death of JPII's predecessor was no
accident. I am not a Catholic, but I believe that the cardinals will make
the right decision and choose a worthy successor to this great man.
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Susan R. Morton