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You GottaBeKidding · Rear Admiral Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 692

I'm not a vet so I can't post there, but I wrote this reply to ArogantMan:

John Kerry denigrated thousands of Vietnam vets. Where's your outrage over that?

From another place on this site, in reference to the photo of John Kerry and 19 other officers:

justamom · Lt.Jg. Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 135

Very well said. That's what I would like to have answered most by Kerry's supporters. Well, that and why they don't push him to reveal his "plans" - particularly considering the fact that he and Edwards have enough "plans" to fill a book.

The problem I have with that is that their saying that they have a plan and refusing to tell anyone what that plan is until after they win the Presidency is just too much of a risk - there is simply too much at stake here. I can't for the life of me understand why his supporters follow him so blindly and don't demand some sort of substance.

Do they not recall all the Executive Orders issued by Clinton? Forget his refusal to release his military records - Kerry's refusal to reveal his "plans" sends up all kinds of red flags to me. It suggests to me that he learned much from Clinton - if you don't get your way, just issue an Executive Order; after all, when you're president you can do whatever you want to do and whatever you think is best. Very dangerous situation there (and the reason our founding fathers put in place such checks and balances to the president's power).

Regardless of anything SwiftVets say or even the Bush administration, the fact of the matter is: Kerry refuses to release HIS military records but previously called on/demanded that Bush release his; Kerry refuses to reveal HIS plans to change the country; Kerry refuses to discuss HIS senate voting record (the TRUE indicator of his political positions); Kerry chose INSTEAD to use his service in Vietnam to make the case for his presidential worthiness. Since that is the major issue he put out there as his qualifier, people are questioning it a bit deeper (perhaps to make an informed vote???). I don't think he really counted on that happening. I think he supposed that at a time of war, american voters would totally embrace a "war hero" to lead the country from here. Since he knows his service was not truly what he's tried to convince us of, he doesn't want anyone getting close to the actual facts regarding it.

As ugly as politics are nowadays and with the smear tactics that are used by all candidates in all elections, american voters seem almost apathetic now to this stuff. In my opinion, it is because of that (suspected) apathy that Kerry feels confident he can respond to ANY issues raised regarding his campaign as "just an attack by the Bush administration" and american voters will buy it!

ArogantMan · Seaman Recruit Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 6

I have yet to hear John Kerry insult or dishonor Vietnam Veterans. You talk the talk...but none of you walk the walk. Give me a quote and tell me where to go to look it up. I am tired of you all trashing a Vietnam Veteran, and offer nothing up but insults, more clap trap and innuendo.

I served in Vietnam and saw combat on the ground. If you are trying to tell me that what Kerry (and the other 30,000 combat veterans of VVAW), talked about did not occur then all I can say to you is that you never were on the grpound in Vietnam. I personally saw first hand, with my own two eyes, mutilated bodies, and burned villages and killed livestock. That is what he spoke of, and he got that information from other Veterans who were on the ground fighting in the bush in Vietnam. He never said all Veteran's were war crimminals and to put words like that into his mouth is nothing more than BS.

I still want to know what kind of unit in Vietnam, recommends and issues medals such as Purple Hearts, Bronze Stars, Silver Stars and gives glowing Fitness reports to a "lying", "*******", "coward" (words used by this website, not mine), who was "neither fit for command", and "who aided and abetted the enemy"? Answer me this question will you. Can you?

All of these guys never directly served with John Kerry yet the crew of his two boats, and the Green Beret Officer he saved rave about him. Your own Lt. Cmdr. Elliot, Kerry's commanding officer, and the man who even recommended him for the Silver Star, was on that BS advertisment and has since retracted his comments and issued a public apology. Will you all please square that with me and the American people? Or can you?

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You people defy common sense. You don't offer up valid arguments that can be checked out, you just insult and denigrate other veterans like me when you say I never was a Marine or I never served in Vietnam. Either that or offer up more clap trap, that you never prove.

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The one good thing to come out of this website, is that it caused me to donate $500.00 to the John Kerry campaign.

You really have to be kidding.....yougottabekidding !!!

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Indianbaboon · Lieutenant Joined: 04 Jul 2004 Posts: 234

arogant...I wasn't even born yet. But i think it's funny that the surplus store I frequent and the officers and enlisted attached to ROTC at my college had no problem screaming their heads off abt VVAW...

even better, the guys at the surplus store, when we had this talk way back in early june, had never even heard of SBVT...

some people remember how much vvaw hurt directly...and all of them know how much it hurt indirectly.