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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 2:39 pm    Post subject: Hillary Blames Bush for North Korea Nukes Reply with quote

"New York Sen. Hillary Clinton is blaming President Bush for the fact that North Korea can now hit the U.S. with nuclear missiles - after a top intelligence official told her Thursday that Kim Jong Il's ICBMs can now reach the Northwestern U.S.

"They couldn't do that when George Bush became president, and now they can," Mrs. Clinton complained to the New York Times.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/4/30/110516.shtml

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House Policy Committee Christopher Cox, Chairman

Clinton-Gore Aid to North Korea Supports Kim Jong-Il's Million-Man Army

Enough Plutonium to Build 65 Nuclear Bombs A Year

July 27, 2000

http://www.nautilus.org/archives/pub/ftp/napsnet/special_reports/Cox_Report_on_DPRK_Aid.txt

~snip~
Policy Removed from Reality

"The provision of U.S. aid to Kim Jong-Il during the Clinton-Gore administration has coincided with both worsening human rights abuses and stepped-up development of nuclear weapons and long-range missiles. Rather than preventing North Korea from continuing its military buildup, the Clinton-Gore administration has financed it."

~snip~
"Aiding the Enemy

"In an astonishing reversal of nine previous U.S. administrations' policy toward North Korea, the Clinton-Gore administration, in 1994, committed not only to provide foreign aid for North Korea, but to earmark that aid primarily for the construction of nuclear reactors worth up to $6 billion."

~snip~
Apologies and Rationalizations

"At the time the Clinton-Gore administration signed the 1994 Agreed Framework with North Korea, it argued the entire agreement was "fail-safe." Supposedly, North Korean performance would be required before the U.S. provided North Korea with any benefits. The administration claimed, for example, that the light water nuclear reactors would not be provided until North Korea had frozen its nuclear weapons program, permitted inspections, and taken other actions to comply with
international concerns. "The most significant benefits for North Korea will come several years from now, after we have had an opportunity to judge its performance and its intentions," Secretary of State Warren Christopher said. "The most important benefit they will receive, the sensitive nuclear component for the light water reactors, will not be provided until North Korea fully complies with safeguard obligations, which includes accounting for its past activities."

Since taking that unrealistically optimistic approach, the Clinton-Gore
administration has met every North Korean default with an apology and a
rationalization for North Korea's behavior:

On October 21, 1994, when the Clinton-Gore administration signed the Agreed Framework, it heralded the agreement as ending North Korea's nuclear program. It was described as a complete freeze of North Korea's nuclear weapons development program. Then-Secretary of Defense Perry testified that the agreement halted
"North Korea's graphite-moderated reactor program including three nuclear reactors, facilities for separating weapons-grade plutonium, and all other nuclear fuel-related facilities." But since 1998, when the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency corrected Secretary of State Albright during sworn testimony on the North Korean nuclear program, the Clinton administration now claims the 1994 agreement actually required North Korea to shut down only two of its nuclear facilities, at Yongbyon and Taejon. Perry has said that otherwise, the North Korean nuclear weapons program continues. As if to justify the failure
of U.S. foreign aid to achieve its objective of freezing North Korea's nuclear weapons development, the Perry report describes the continuing nuclear weapons development as "small scale." While receiving U.S. foreign aid, North Korea has sent military infiltrators into South Korea. These forces have ruthlessly killed South Korean citizens. North Korea has also kidnapped South Korean citizens and tourists and held them for ransom. And on January 16, 2000, North Korean agents entered the People's Republic of China and abducted Rev. Kim Dong-shik, who
reportedly ran an underground railroad that helped North Koreans escape to freedom. Although the 1994 Agreed Framework committed North Korea to work for nuclear non-proliferation, the Clinton-Gore administration has excused North Korea's continuing proliferation and its violations of inspection requirements.

The Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) is the foundation of the international community's efforts to account for, and thereby restrain, the spread of nuclear material suitable for weapons. It rests on signatory nations' good faith, and their willingness to submit to inspections, in exchange for obtaining and using nuclear technology. North Korea had threatened to withdraw from the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in 1992 in order to avoid international inspection of its nuclear facilities, so its 1994 commitment to promote NPT objectives was a significant concession. The Clinton-Gore administration's waiver of this obligation is inexcusable. The Agreed Framework has left North Korea with the capability to begin reprocessing plutonium at a moment's notice. Today, five years after the Agreed Framework was signed, North Korea's nuclear weapons
development is still ongoing. The Clinton-Gore administration now argues that North Korea's potential for nuclear reprocessing is the very reason the U.S. must continue paying it foreign aid. Despite North Korean noncompliance with the Agreed Framework, the Perry report states, "U.S. security objectives may therefore require the U.S. to supplement the Agreed Framework, but we must not undermine or supplant it."

~snip~
"The Clinton-Gore policy, it is now clear, has severely worsened the threat that North Korea poses to the world by systematically rewarding Kim Jong-Il for his most dangerous misconduct. It has provided North Korea with an increased capacity for the development of nuclear weapons and the long-range missiles to deliver them. As its military capabilities have advanced, time has worked to Pyongyang's advantage--and will continue to do so, as long as the Clinton-Gore administration continues to invest its faith, its naivete, and U.S. taxpayer dollars in this despicable Stalinist regime." Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We know it had nothing to do with the Nuclear reactor deals of Madame Halfbright and Pres. Jimmuh, Right? ... and the deal with Loral selling technology to the ChiComs. NAH!!

By the way, Senator Rodham Clinton Rodham, Who hired Craig Livingstone??
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was originally Jimmy Carter's baby.
He went off on a misson of his own, without any authority from
Clinton or the State department, to conduct talks with N. Korea.
I remember at the time there was some mention of it in the press
but it was stated that he had no official capacity to negotiate.
I thought who the heck does this officious busy-body think he is???
Then he comes back with a deal, announces it to the press,
and gets Brother Al Gore to convince Clinton to sign on to the deal!!!
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...~snip~Well, one of the conflict-resolutions that supposedly put Jimmy over the top for winning the prize (over the more-deserving Afghan president, Hamid Karzai) was the one between the United States and North Korea in the early 1990s. When Bill Clinton and Kim Il Sung were squaring off over Pyongyang's nuke program, Carter jetted off to the world's last Stalinist nation to compliment the mass-murdering North Korean dictator as a "vigorous and intelligent" man. He declared of a government that has imposed famines on millions: "I don't see that they are an outlaw nation."

And it was brother Jimmy who had the bright idea of lavishing the North Koreans with aid in exchange for their "cross-our-hearts-and-hope-to-die" promise that they would stop pursuing nuclear weapons technology. Of course, many argue it was Carter's mollycoddling of the North Koreans during his presidency that encouraged them to start their nuclear program to begin with. But hey, that's heavy water under the bridge.

In 1994, when Carter went to North Korea to strike a deal, he didn't have the support or authority of the U.S. government to agree to anything. That didn't stop him from announcing on television that he'd made a deal. And the fact that the Clinton administration was out of the loop didn't stop Al Gore from persuading Bill Clinton to leap on the proposal, even though it basically surrendered every major American demand, starting with our insistence that North Korea completely and immediately stop its nuclear weapon program.

The final agreement, which Clinton dubbed "a very good deal indeed," called for the United States to provide the North Koreans with $4 billion worth of light-water reactors and $100 million in oil in exchange for a promise to be good and an assurance that inspectors would be allowed to poke around at some indeterminate point down the road.

At the time, Kang Sok Ju, the chief North Korean negotiator, bragged that "the complete elimination of the existing nuclear program will only come when we have the light-water reactor in our hands." In other words you pay first, we stop later.

The problem with this deal, which prompted The New York Times to declare, "Diplomacy with North Korea has scored a resounding triumph," is the problem with all such deals: It was based on the assumption that evil men willing to murder their own people would never presume to lie to someone like Jimmy Carter. ...~snip~

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/printjg20021018.shtml
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boy the Clinton's seem to never take any credit for anything that happened in their 8 years...Stand up and take a bow
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rparrott21 wrote:
Boy the Clinton's seem to never take any credit for anything that happened in their 8 years...Stand up and take a bow


Oh contrare! They will take credit for anything that may benefit them, especially if someone else did it, which is usual. Their own screwups and f***ups (a John sKerry term here) they blame on the hired help or the VRWC. They are never responsible for anything that goes wrong. Janet Reno knows.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After having spent nearly 10 years in South Korea and observing close-up the posturing, idle threats and outlandish claims of the North, I can say one should only believe one percent of the rhetoric. Self-promotion for benefit of the people closest to Kim is important to maintain his grip on power. Little Father does not garner the same respect as Dear Father did and is constantly walking a tightrope to stay ahead of those forces that would depose him if the right opportunity arose.

Does Kim posses the Genie? Maybe? After all the Pakistani’s were pretty free about passing out nuclear technology around the third world.

Would Little Father be stupid enough to lob a nuke at a US target and risk total retaliation and the ultimate elimination of his Nation? Simply put; NO! The one thing I realized while analyzing father and son is that we are not dealing with stupid people. Little Father likes the good life and does not have a suicide pact drawn up and has only one goal with all this press. Saving face.

Saving face would be achieving something his father never accomplished, bringing America into direct bilateral negotiations with North Korea. Thus the son could finally step out of the father’s shadow and have his own legacy.

Kim was banking on John Kerry being elected in 2004 who would immediately pursue direct talks with NK, in-turn allowing Kim to tighten his grip on power. When this didn’t happen, Kim was crushed when he knew he would have Bush to face for another four years. So the volume gets ratcheted up on the rhetoric to frighten America’s allies and have them apply pressure on the US to negotiate.

The Chinese are sitting back watching the game play out while thoroughly enjoying it all, the Japanese for some reason are nervous when someone mentions nuclear, the Russians always look for new arms sales business opportunities wherever they arise and the South Koreans really don’t know what they want, except the chance to hold another anti-American demonstration.

President Bush has the right idea and will never negotiate directly with the North Koreans. The USA only negotiates from a position of power, as we carry the big sticks in this street fight and Kim knows he is living at ground zero.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GM Strong wrote:
We know it had nothing to do with the Nuclear reactor deals of Madame Halfbright and Pres. Jimmuh, Right? ... and the deal with Loral selling technology to the ChiComs. NAH!!

By the way, Senator Rodham Clinton Rodham, Who hired Craig Livingstone??


Loral Corp is a company I haven't heard mentioned in some time and definately key to chinese ICBM advances. I remember the rocket Loral launched early in Clintons presidency which exploded after take-off. Supposedly Loral technicians were under contract the only ones allowed to grab debris, but go figure those chinese were uncooperative and siezed oh so sensitive debris. Clinton, Loral and those valiant protectors of American (and the rest of the world) freedom the press were in horror. Smoke and mirrors. We had a 40 year technological advantage on the Chinese in respect to ICBMs and warheads, yet during the Clinton presidency this gap was closed. The Loral rocket explosion was nothing more then cover. Fact is Loral gave the Chinese everything they needed and Clinton got his campaign bucks from the chinese military.

But do not worry too much. Although Clinton and Loral committed acts of high treason by arming our enemy the Chinese cannot afford to maintain ICBM's and I highly doubt they have more then 1 which is on standby. You see ICBM's are cash monsters and make no sense for any country to spend on other then the US. If your wondering why it makes sense for the US to spend gazzilions on them when it doesn't for other nations I will only say this. The US spends crazy money on weapons so we can feel comfortable at night when we goto sleep and sometimes stop atrocities throughout the world. We are the only nation in the history of mankind which has the power to conquer people, yet gives the people their country back with hope for a better life then that which they had before. Examples...Canada, All of the Carribean, Mexico, France, Germany, Russia, all of the Middle East, all of Africa. America is also the oldest democratically elected republic mankind has ever known.

We are the sage and the wise. The shining light on the hill. We do carry a big stick, but rather then be purely libertine like the secularist or the facist, American conservatives use principles granted by God as given by Judeo and Christian belief to enforce freedom and then liberty.

The French believe in liberty, but trust me there is a reason why freedom comes first to Americans.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GenrXr wrote:
GM Strong wrote:
We know it had nothing to do with the Nuclear reactor deals of Madame Halfbright and Pres. Jimmuh, Right? ... and the deal with Loral selling technology to the ChiComs. NAH!!

By the way, Senator Rodham Clinton Rodham, Who hired Craig Livingstone??


Loral Corp is a company I haven't heard mentioned in some time and definately key to chinese ICBM advances. I remember the rocket Loral launched early in Clintons presidency which exploded after take-off. Supposedly Loral technicians were under contract the only ones allowed to grab debris, but go figure those chinese were uncooperative and siezed oh so sensitive debris. Clinton, Loral and those valiant protectors of American (and the rest of the world) freedom the press were in horror. Smoke and mirrors. We had a 40 year technological advantage on the Chinese in respect to ICBMs and warheads, yet during the Clinton presidency this gap was closed. The Loral rocket explosion was nothing more then cover. Fact is Loral gave the Chinese everything they needed and Clinton got his campaign bucks from the chinese military.

But do not worry too much. Although Clinton and Loral committed acts of high treason by arming our enemy the Chinese cannot afford to maintain ICBM's and I highly doubt they have more then 1 which is on standby. You see ICBM's are cash monsters and make no sense for any country to spend on other then the US. If your wondering why it makes sense for the US to spend gazzilions on them when it doesn't for other nations I will only say this. The US spends crazy money on weapons so we can feel comfortable at night when we goto sleep and sometimes stop atrocities throughout the world. We are the only nation in the history of mankind which has the power to conquer people, yet gives the people their country back with hope for a better life then that which they had before. Examples...Canada, All of the Carribean, Mexico, France, Germany, Russia, all of the Middle East, all of Africa. America is also the oldest democratically elected republic mankind has ever known.

We are the sage and the wise. The shining light on the hill. We do carry a big stick, but rather then be purely libertine like the secularist or the facist, American conservatives use principles granted by God as given by Judeo and Christian belief to enforce freedom and then liberty.

The French believe in liberty, but trust me there is a reason why freedom comes first to Americans.


Simply the payoff for all those campaign contributions from the Chinese government that went unreported by the MSM during the 1996 and 2000 Democratic campaigns.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhantomSgt wrote:
Simply the payoff for all those campaign contributions from the Chinese government that went unreported by the MSM during the 1996 and 2000 Democratic campaigns.

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Sarge, history will not look kindly on the Clintons. Especially, concerning how they raised money and at what expense to our countries security.
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GenrXr wrote:
PhantomSgt wrote:
Simply the payoff for all those campaign contributions from the Chinese government that went unreported by the MSM during the 1996 and 2000 Democratic campaigns.

Cool Cool Cool


Sarge, history will not look kindly on the Clintons. Especially, concerning how they raised money and at what expense to our countries security.


This is why a blood oath must be taken to fight the forces of evil from within. Some take the oath of office and never hear the words. Others hear the words of the oath but never grasp the meaning. A few, take the oath to heart and those are the ones who truly protect and defend the constitution against all enemies’ foreign or domestic.

The oath calls on those few who stand on the side of freedom and our American way of life, to rise up and raise their voices to expose our enemies from within.

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GenrXr wrote:
PhantomSgt wrote:
Simply the payoff for all those campaign contributions from the Chinese government that went unreported by the MSM during the 1996 and 2000 Democratic campaigns.

Cool Cool Cool


Sarge, history will not look kindly on the Clintons. Especially, concerning how they raised money and at what expense to our countries security.


This is why a blood oath must be taken to fight the forces of evil from within. Some take the oath of office and never hear the words. Others hear the words of the oath but never grasp the meaning. A few, take the oath to heart and those are the ones who truly protect and defend the constitution against all enemies’ foreign or domestic.

The oath calls on those few who stand on the side of freedom and our American way of life, to rise up and raise their voices to expose our enemies from within.

Cool Cool Cool


I agree and hope for the future we educate the young so we have a larger pool to draw from when the time comes where we do have to defend ourselves.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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....Would Little Father be stupid enough to lob a nuke at a US target and risk total retaliation and the ultimate elimination of his Nation? Simply put; NO! ....


I'm not so sure. When I think back to the era of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction), there were only two nations involved; the US and the USSR. By today's standards, the USSR was a reasonably civilized entity inasmuch as they were unwilling to risk the destruction of their population.

Kim is a part of the new era of 'who gives a damn' leaders when it comes to the survival of his people. I do not think it unreasonable for a monster like Kim to give the order for a nuclear strike just before he boards his cash-laden airplane for Geneva.

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Schadow wrote:
PhantomSgt wrote:
....Would Little Father be stupid enough to lob a nuke at a US target and risk total retaliation and the ultimate elimination of his Nation? Simply put; NO! ....


I'm not so sure. When I think back to the era of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction), there were only two nations involved; the US and the USSR. By today's standards, the USSR was a reasonably civilized entity inasmuch as they were unwilling to risk the destruction of their population.

Kim is a part of the new era of 'who gives a damn' leaders when it comes to the survival of his people. I do not think it unreasonable for a monster like Kim to give the order for a nuclear strike just before he boards his cash-laden airplane for Geneva.

Schadow


This article confirms what I was writing about above:

N. Korea Seeks Return to Clinton Deal

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A top North Korean official said over the weekend that it was pointless for Kim Jong Il to continue to negotiate with the U.S. "as long as [President] Bush stays in power," explaining that Pyongyang would be better off waiting for a friendlier administration in Washington.

"Because Bush is, indeed, a world dictator whose hands are stained with the blood shed by innocent civilians, peace can never settle in the world as long as Bush stays in power," a spokesman for North Korea's Foreign Ministry said, according to the Korean Central News Agency.


Read the entire article here: www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/5/2/110048.shtml

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