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SBD
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 Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 3:51 pm Post subject: Herald-1972--Kerry brought GI's to Anti-War Battle in 1969 |
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Article says Kerry joins protestors in 1969, never mentions fake previous run for Congress. I think that the story from Harvard Crimson is a big lie and he never ran for Congress in 1970. Instead, he was protesting the war and that reserve document on his site was probably after the fact. My guess, someone upgraded him and released him to the reserves in an attempt to cover up his treasonous act of going to Paris to meet with the enemy.
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Here's July 6, 1971. Says he left the Navy in 1970 which is a lie but more importantly, it doesn't say why he left the Navy in 1970. Only recent stories from 2004 always mention "in 1970 so he could run for Congress". In this article, not only does it not mention running for Congress in 1970, it states that most speculate he will run for office and leaves out the word "again", which to me implies he will be running for the first time. Now we know why he won't sign form 180. Who knows the kinds of fraud his files contain. I bet he even can't keep track of his deceptions.
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| Quote: | | says Kerry joins protestors in 1969 |
Great digging as usual SBD!. Supposedly, Kerry didnt officially join VVAW untill June 1970. Remember Geano was trying to dig into whether Kerry had some involvement in the anti-groups when he was in California in 1968.
We do have this time frame for 1969 for Kerry...need to fill in some blanks
Unfit for Command Chapter 5, pg 94
| Quote: | The real Kerry “homecoming” that most Swiftees will never forget occurred at St. Albans Naval Hospital in early April 1969, where Tedd Peck, the commander of PCF 94, lay recovering from terrible wounds that he suffered on January 29, 1969. Peck was horrified when he learned that PCF 94 and his crew had been turned over to Kerry after Peck had been wounded. He thought, “How could the Navy do this to me after all I’ve suffered?”
Still in pain and suffering from his wounds, Peck was stunned to see a well-groomed John Kerry pop into his room, complete with dress whites and attaché cord. “Kerry, you son of a *****,” Peck said, “what the hell are you doing here? You were only there a couple of months.”
Kerry replied (lying about his own request to come home), “Tedd, the Navy decided it was time for me to come home.” Kerry explained that he was visiting the wounded as an admiral’s aide.
Within a short time, Kerry sought to recruit Peck for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), which Kerry described as a group he had organized. Peck, dumbfounded, asked Kerry, “John, how can you do this? All of our guys are still over there, in Vietnam?”
Kerry had no answer.
We have never been given any more of a real answer from John Kerry than the one Tedd Peck received while lying in his hospital bed. |
so he's talking to Peck about the VVAW in April 1969...
then there's this in Oct 1969
| Quote: | The first documented major antiwar protest that John Kerry attended was the Oct. 15, 1969, Moratorium march on Washington.
Peggy Kerry had a major hand in putting together the grand daddy of all anti-war demonstrations —“the Moratorium” in Washington, DC, on October 15, 1969. Her baby brother John Kerry attended the Moratorium in Washington while still on active duty in the Navy.
The propriety or impropriety of participating in radical political activism while on active duty never seems to have bothered John Kerry. (Though Kerry claims he was careful not to wear his uniform or speak at such events.)
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=3879
http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=622699
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| Quote: | I as effectively as anyone else in the country, can address myself to the issue of Vietnam," Kerry said. "I'm very realistic, though. I'm just going to be one man adding to the work of men like Lowenstein."
Kerry is a pilot, and on October 14 and 15 he flew Ted Kennedy's advisor Adam Walinsky by private plane throughout the State of New York so that Walinsky could give speeches against the Vietnam War. But Kerry was smart enough not to put down "Moratorium" on the Navy signout sheet for that Tuesday and Wednesday. The following month, Kerry was sick and did not engage in the November moratorium activities.
http://gogov.com/newslinks.htm |
This link at WinterSolider lists some of the early players
Hanoi John: Kerry and the Antiwar Movement’s Communist Connections
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=Fedora3
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Beatrice1000
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| SBD wrote: | | Here's July 6, 1971.... |
SBD: Thanks so much for the articles – you got me thinking back to kerry’s anti-U.S. foreign policy, anti-war rhetoric before he went to Vietnam. Kerry’s early history makes a sham of his 2004 “Reporting For Duty” and exposes his vile usury of the honor of all that statement implies…..
“SHAM” -- Merriam-Webster:
Etymology: perhaps from English dialect sham shame, alteration of English SHAME
1 : a trick that deludes : HOAX
2 : cheap falseness : HYPOCRISY
3 : an ornamental covering for a pillow
4 : an imitation or counterfeit purporting to be genuine
5 : a person who shams
synonym see IMPOSTURE
Note that this article of 7/6/71 is about a week after kerry’s debate with John O’Neill (in fact, that picture looks like one taken from the debate) – I think when he indicates he “might run for office” he is just talking about future plans – and that the reporter maybe decided not to mention the previous campaign which was only a 1-month affair. John O’Neill does indicate that Kerry had run for office and comments on his political ambitions:
| Quote: | 6/30/71 – Dick Cavett debate – Bits from the transcript
O’NEILL: There's quite a difference between coming back to this country and putting on a sack and saying, confessing, "I committed war crimes" and running for the Congress of the U.S. from MA and saying, "Well, all three million of us committed war crimes," and I suggest that that's the question that Mr. Kerry and I should be talking about because that's precisely and exactly what he said. <…>
CAVETT: …two of the charges against John Kerry at the moment, that I remember, are why didn't he leave when war crimes were being committed in front of him – ……. and your attitude changed because of your political ambitions. ….
KERRY: Well, I hardly think the second really merits that much discussion – I'm not sure – that much discussion or consideration. <…> And when I got back here, I was serving as an aide to an admiral in New York City, and I wrote a letter through him requesting that I be released from the Navy early because of my opposition, and I was granted that release, and I have been working against the war ever since then.
O’NEILL: As I understand Mr. Kerry's release from the Navy, he got it to run for Congress, which was his way of working, you know, against the war. He didn't go down and work at the polls like everybody else. He just ran for Congress. (no response from Kerry) <….>
O’NEILL: I find it particularly remarkable that this gentleman who is building his political career apparently upon the misery of all of us that served there, ….for him to libel by innuendo the President of the United States and to suggest that he's keeping people there any longer than they have to be for political reasons. I think that's a particularly remarkable thing to have happen. (no response from Kerry) <….>
KERRY: (discussing the Pentagon papers & the “duplicity” of US actions): I personally tried to get an article printed about Operation Sealords, and I went to one of the major national magazines, and they refused to carry it because they said they'd lose their accreditation in Saigon. There has been – there have been cases of censorship in this war.
(When did Kerry try to print an article about the Sealords and what was in it? Did he do this while he was still over there or when he came home?) |
Some info to add to the discussion about Kerry’s early anti-war activities & associations (& using some of Kate’s links) – he was involved in anti-war activities in 1969 – he had his sister and teddy and the VVAW (to name a few):
---1966: JOHN KERRY: already spoken in public against the war
---1967: JAN CRUMB: founds VVAW (in Kate's UFC quote above, Kerry tells Peck it was a group “HE organized”…that’s a strange little lie)
---5/68: TED KENNEDY: has VVAW helping in his campaign
---4/69: JOHN KERRY: tries to recruit Peck to VVAW
---1969: PEGGY KERRY: involved in anti-war movement; major player in Moratorium march
---10/69: TED KENNEDY: endorses Moratorium march (he knows VVAW members, and Peggy? --did he organize behind the scenes?)
---10/15/69: JOHN KERRY: reports indicate he attended the Moratorium march on WDC while still in the Navy
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(various excerpts/emphasis mine)
| Quote: | JAN BARRY CRUMB
Transcription of PDF, p1 of the FBI report indicated above:
----11/20/67: VIETNAM VETERANS AGAINST THE WAR -- INTERNAL SECURITY. Reference is made to my memorandum 11/19/67 advising that Sec’y. of Defense McNamara was very incensed at an advertisement appearing in “The New York Times” 11/19/67 containing an anti-Vietnam statement & allegedly signed by approx. 60 veterans of Vietnam. The advertisement was placed by the VVAW. Mr. William C. Hunt, Dir. of Security, Office of Secretary of Defense, was furnished an expedite name check on the organization & its coordinator Jan Crumb. Sec. McNamara planned to discuss this matter with the President on 11/20/67. On the morning of 11/20/67, Hunt again contacted Liaison & stated Sec. McNamara had an appt. with the President at about 3:00 p.m. 11/20/67. He requested expedite name checks on approx. 40 to 50 of the signers of the advertisement & sent available background data over by special courier. These are being handled on an expedite basis by the Name Check Section & the results being furnished Hunt. SOURCE |
| Quote: | TED KENNEDY
----5/68: had VVAW members involved on his campaign: (FBI Sec.01, p42-43): “Source stated that an unidentified male in the VVAW office told him that the organization was disbanding as some of the individuals who have been active in the VVAW are going to help in the McCarthy campaign while others are going to assist the Kennedy campaign.” SOURCE
----10/15/69: “Millions march in US Vietnam Moratorium”
“But Senator Edward Kennedy, a vocal anti-war campaigner, called for combat troops to be withdrawn from Vietnam by October next year and all forces by the end of 1972. Speaking in Boston, Senator Kennedy was careful not to accuse the president of perpetuating the war. ‘I do not believe that President Nixon is committed to continuing the war in Vietnam, but I do believe this nation is in danger of committing itself to goals and personalities that guarantee the war's continuance.’” SOURCE
**NOTE: This article has a VIDEO of the march** |
| Quote: | PEGGY KERRY
--In 1969, Peggy Kerry had already been long since heavily involved in the anti-war movement. In fact, she was a top organizer of many of the anti-war demonstrations at the time. She was a very active member of several groups, including the ACLU, and perhaps even the Vietnam Veterans Against The War. Peggy Kerry also worked very closely with Adam Walinsky, who was a former Robert Kennedy speech-writer and anti-war activist. She had already enlisted her brother, who was still on active duty, to pilot Walinsky around to numerous anti-war activities in 1969…. Peggy Kerry had a major hand in putting together the grand daddy of all anti-war demonstrations —“the Moratorium” in WDC on 10/15/69. Her baby brother John Kerry attended the Moratorium in Washington while still on active duty in the Navy. SOURCE |
| Quote: | JOHN KERRY
----1966: About the Yale graduation speech: <…> The war was Vietnam. The speech was one he had delivered upon graduating from Yale, in 1966. Kerry was twenty-two at the time; he had already enlisted in the Navy. As one of Yale's champion debaters and president of the Political Union, he had been selected to deliver the Class Oration, traditionally an Ivy-draped nostalgia piece. But the speech he gave, hastily rewritten at the last moment, was anything but traditional: it was a broad, passionate criticism of American foreign policy, including the war that he would soon be fighting. <…>
"I signed up for the Navy in 1965, the year before the Class Oration," Kerry said now, with quiet vehemence. He repeated it, for emphasis: "I signed up for the Navy. There was very little thought of Vietnam. It seemed very far away. There was no connection between my decision to serve and the speech I made." <….>
The week before John Kerry delivered the Class Oration, the fifteen Skull and Bones seniors went off on a final jaunt together to a fishing camp…. David Thorne, however, says that there was a serious running discussion about Vietnam. "There were four of us going to war in a matter of months. That tends to concentrate the mind. This may have been the first time we really seriously began to question Vietnam. …. Kerry's reaction to these discussions was intense and precipitate. He decided to rewrite the speech. <…> (Kerry): “I remember staying up with a candle writing my speech in the wee hours of the night, rewriting and rewriting. It reflected what I felt and what we were all thinking about." <….>
The Class Oration says a lot about John Kerry, ….. The speech was notable for its central thesis: "The United States must . . . bring itself to understand that the policy of intervention"—against Communism—"that was right for Western Europe does not and cannot find the same application to the rest of the world." SOURCE
----1966: When in 1966 it looked like his draft number was coming up during his senior year at Yale University, and already having spoken out in public against the war, Kerry signed up with the Navy…. Kerry skippered a CTF-115 swift boat, a light, aluminum patrol vessel that bore a passing resemblance to PT-109. He thought he'd arranged to avoid combat. "I didn't really want to get involved in the war," he later would tell the Boston Globe. "When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling, and that's what I thought I was going to do." <…> Kerry opted for reassignment to New York City, where - as a uniformed, active-duty officer - he reportedly began acting out the antiwar feelings he had expressed before enlisting. <….>
----1970: His unsuccessful 1970 congressional bid lasted only a month,… SOURCE
--10/15/69: Moratorium march on WDC: This was the first documented major antiwar protest that Kerry attended. (7/69: Peter Collier & David Horowitz, then top activists on the pro-Hanoi left, later wrote that militant activists went in July to "meet Cuban & Vietnamese officials in Havana to map out strategies for the war in America, the 'other war' which would ultimately defeat the U.S.") Nat'l Review reported at the time that Sen. Edward M. Kennedy was one of the endorsers of the Moratorium. SOURCE |
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Note in Kate’s links above, “Kerry is a pilot, and on October 14 and 15 (1969) he flew Ted Kennedy's advisor Adam Walinsky by private plane throughout the State of NY.” Then: “Kerry indicates he was sick and did not engage in the November moratorium activities.” Lying again. He was either flying or marching or sick – but not all three simultaneously…..
SBD: “I bet he even can't keep track of his deceptions.” I’m sure that’s true and that’s why he has a lot of people working on that for him – covering up, altering, rewriting, deleting information to conform to his version(s) of the events in his life. Maybe the one item that could shed some light on this shameful imposter is a little form he refuses to sign….
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Even back in 1971, he was lying when he said he asked to be released early because of he was against the war and in fact was not released but put in the reserves. Would someone actively against the war be put in the reserves? My guess is that he was ousted in 1969 from the Navy and when the time came for his grand performance in April 1971, the Admiral and Teddy fixed the paperwork to reflect he was released to run for Congress in 1970. I bet his record has a big gap during the time he was supposedly in the Reserves. I am even more convinced by the fact that they accused Bush of being absent which for the Dems means "pin what you did on your opponent so if you are found out, you can say that your openent did the same thing" and is still lying about it.
As for Kerry's comment to Peck about founding VVAW, maybe he wasn't lying and he was a founder whose job it was to go to Vietnam, fake the hero bit, and come home to protest the war with first hand lies about atrosities for the organization the he helped found.
One thing I should mention is that I had never come across these two newspaper stories before while searching Lexis or anywhere else. I found them by accident through Ancestry.com while trying to find my roots in the Forbes family tree.  LOL
Any idea why these stories would show up there??
I am happy to say that I have been unsucessful in my search for my roots in the Forbes family. 
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Beatrice1000
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| SBD wrote: | | Even back in 1971, he was lying when he said he asked to be released early because of he was against the war and in fact was not released but put in the reserves. Would someone actively against the war be put in the reserves? |
Good point!
As far as his relationship to the VVAW, I guess we’d need to know when he met Jan Crumb & his friends (or when his sister met them….). Someone probably knows… There is one VVAW person that I recall was in California in 1968 – “C. James Boggio” – He had previously had contact with Jan Crumb and/or the VVAW, as he had signed the VVAW’s NYT ad of 11/19/67. Then he shows up in California, actively involved in trying to recruit military personnel to join. After the FBI tailed him for awhile, he moved on -- they lost him in Denver and closed their file. I wonder if he’s still around – it’d be interesting to hear his story, if he’d talk:
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Geano’s 10/25/04 post questioning Kerry and Boggio in Calif. at the same time:
http://www.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=113042#113042
Kerry at San Diego from 22 July 1968 to (?) of November 1968?
Coincidences?
... from the FBI files on VVAW:
In August of 1968, C. James Boggio appeared at an open meeting of the Socialist Workers Party and spoke of his trip to the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, and the demonstrations in which he participated...
From the LA Sept 8 1970 FBI Valley Forge peace march report:
Oct 2, 1968 March and rally in San Francisco, Calif: Speaker Gen. Hugh Hester
FBI Memo November 11, 1968
October 27, 1968 "C. James Boggio" A letter stating "join me in a revolution”…Having served as coordinator of (VVAW) for the past year...and participated in the Chicago Uprisings..." letter calls for meeting to "revigorate" VVAW on November 3, 1968.
Lists return address in LA "c/o Marcia Silverstein"
Kerry was ordered to report to SEA on October 31, 1968
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My post, same thread:
http://www.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=113053#113053
“Yes, I've read about Boggio -- involved in California. However, I also found him connected to our main guy back then, Jan Barry CRUMB on an advertisement put in the NYT by the VVAW. He is one of the signers on that ad from 11/19/67: L/Cpl. G. James Boggio, USMC (& note he was quite active in getting propaganda out to the marines in Calif.-- from previous post link info.). This ad containing Boggio & Crumb signatures is in the FBI files, S.01, p.28.”
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| Quote: | FBI Memo November 11, 1968
October 27, 1968 "C. James Boggio" A letter stating "join me in a revolution”…........" letter calls for meeting to "revigorate" VVAW on November 3, 1968. |
more from Geano...speculation was as to why Kerry was late reporting to Cam Ranh Bay > ie the Nov 3 mtg
| Quote: | Reassigned to PCF Swift Boat Training at Coronado, San Diego, CA
On leave 7/21/68 to 8/17/68
Reported 8/22/68. Training commenced 8/25/68 and finished 10/26/68
Kerry was ordered to report to Commander Coastal Squadron ONE Cam Ranh Bay Vietnam by 10/31/68
**Failed to report until 11/17/68. Charged with 4 days leave 11/9 to 11/12/68 |
sister Peggy knew these VVAW folks
| Quote: | http://www.archive-news.net/Articles/FD082404.html
Later in 1968, after graduating from Smith College and moving to Greenwich Village, she joined the Village Independent Democrats (VID)............While working with VID, Peggy became involved in the antiwar movement, which led antiwar feminist Bella Abzug to introduce her to Sheldon Ramsdell of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) in order to recruit her help in organizing 1969 antiwar rallies for the Vietnam Moratorium Committee (VMC). Peggy in turn recruited her brother John to help fly antiwar speaker Adam Walinsky to VMC rallies, introducing John to the antiwar movement. |
| Quote: | http://www.alternet.org/election04/19849/
snip~~When I came back to America in 1967, I got involved in the anti-war movement in Cambridge, Massachusetts and continued my anti-apartheid work. When I moved to New York, I decided to concentrate on working against the Vietnam War. I got involved in the Vietnam Moratorium. I then worked at the ACLU Roger Baldwin Foundation, and later at the New York Civil Liberties Union.
snip~~. In fact it was when I was working on the Vietnam War Moratorium and John was stationed at the Brooklyn Naval Base that we needed somebody to fly a plane so that one of our speakers, Adam Walinsky, who happened to have been Bobby Kennedy's speechwriter, could get around the state and make all of his speech commitments. And I asked my brother, who'd learned to fly when he was at Yale, to take the day off, and he did, and he and Adam have become – it was the beginning of a long friendship.
John also met Vietnam Veterans Against the War because we happened to share an office with them |
soo Ms Peggy is living in Greenwich Village as of either '67/'68, hangin around the anti-war folks, wonder if her brother ever visited her in the Village, before he headed off to the service? he certainly was nearby when he was stationed in in Brooklyn
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| kate wrote: | ...more from Geano...speculation was as to why Kerry was late reporting to Cam Ranh Bay > ie the Nov 3 mtg
...... sister Peggy knew these VVAW folks... |
Wow... thanks so much for the info, Kate! - I hadn't seen that link on Peggy before....
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