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To view this item online, visit http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44620
Tuesday, June 7, 2005
MEGA FIX
TWA 800's 'Deep Throat'
Posted: June 7, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
Editor's note: In his extraordinary new DVD documentary, "Mega Fix," Emmy-award-winning filmmaker Jack Cashill traces the roots of Sept. 11 to the political exploitation of terror investigations by the Clinton White House in the desperate 1995-1996 election cycle. To arrange a showing in your city, contact Jack Cashill.
The "Mega Fix" DVD is available now at WorldNetDaily's online store, ShopNetDaily.
By Jack Cashill
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
One has to marvel at how fully and conspicuously situational is the media's affection for whistleblowing. To blow the whistle on a Republican makes one a hero. Witness the legendary "Deep Throat" or Richard Clarke or the Enron whistleblowers.
To blow the whistle on a Democrat particularly, a Clinton makes one a pariah. Witness the treatment of Linda Tripp or Kathleen Willey or Paula Jones or the Arkansas State Troopers or the pathologists who pointed out the inconvenient hole in Ron Brown's head and paid for it with their careers.
Witness, too, the treatment of two lesser-known whistleblowers of that era, Capt. Terrell Stacey and Elizabeth Sanders.
A senior manager at TWA in 1996, Stacey had flown the 747 that would become TWA Flight 800 from Paris to New York the night before it exploded. In fact, he was in charge of all TWA 747 pilot activity within the airline. So it was logical that he would be among the first TWA employees assigned to the National Transportation Safety Board investigation.
Elizabeth Sanders had come to know Stacey through her years as a flight attendant and trainer for TWA. She thought of him as "a straight arrow, go-by-the-rules kind of guy" and respected him for it. Flight 800 would bind their fates in ways neither could have anticipated.
Fifty-three TWA crew members were killed in the explosion, and Sanders had trained several of them. Sanders, Stacey and the other TWA employees found themselves at one memorial service after another. The feeling among the TWA family then as now was that a missile had brought down the plane. As the official investigation sputtered, the frustration among them grew.
Elizabeth's reporter husband, James Sanders, could not help but to pick up the vibes. Aware of the dissatisfaction within the TWA community, Sanders sought out a few good sources within the investigation on Long Island. The best of them proved to be Terrell Stacey. For discretion's sake, Sanders would refer to him only as "hangar man."
After a phone introduction arranged by Elizabeth, James Sanders and Terrell Stacey agreed to meet. "What he told me over those first hours," relates Sanders, "was one thing: 'I know there's a cover-up in progress.'"
A few weeks after this first meeting, Sanders and Stacey met a second time. On this occasion, Stacey turned over an NTSB computer printout of the debris field. Sanders computerized what appeared to be key pieces and soon noticed a pattern. The very first damage to the plane centered on rows 17-19 with a general right-to-left bias.
At the next meeting, Stacey revealed for the first time the existence of a reddish-orange trail across the cabin interior of the plane in the same area of the passenger cabin, rows 17-19. The residue was on the foam-rubber seat-cushion backing attached to the metal frame. He claimed the FBI had taken several samples in late August, but refused to share the test results and ignored requests by his NTSB team for the same. In September 1996, the residue had become a hot topic among the investigators.
At a face-to-face meeting in November 1996, Sanders and Stacey agreed that without forensic testing there was no way to know the source of the residue. As Stacey observed, however, the residue appeared to have flakes on the surface. These could probably be coaxed into a plastic bag with very little help.
Unable to scrape off the flakes, Stacey cut out two small samples of foam rubber and sent them to Sanders in January 1997. Sanders made arrangements with West Coast Analytical Services, a commercial laboratory in the Los Angeles area, to determine what elements were found in the reddish-orange residue. They proved to be consistent with those found in the exhaust residue of a solid-fuel missile.
By early March 1997, a decision was made to publish a series of newspaper articles describing Sanders' findings. "New Data Show Missile May Have Nailed TWA 800," screamed the one-inch, front-page headline across the top of the Riverside Press-Enterprise on March 10, 1997.
The Press-Enterprise reporters had interviewed the FBI three days prior. Until the article appeared, however, they could not respond. They did not know the extent of the damage they would have to control. Evidence suggests, however, that they had a plan of action prepared in case the information about the residue trail escaped from the hangar.
On the same morning as the article appeared, March 10, Clinton operatives started gradually and anonymously leaking word that the residue was nothing more than glue. They offered no back up, but the major media had long since ceased to ask for any. The media began to report that the missile theory had once again been shot down.
One network, however, held promise for Sanders. It was CBS. Sanders had granted an exclusive interview to Emmy Award-winning producer Kristina Borjesson. After the interview had been videotaped, however, Borjesson grew alarmed when she realized no one on the Evening News was editing the piece. Frustrated, she walked into a morning meeting of news executives and asked why the network wasn't doing the story on Sanders and his documents.
"You think it's a missile, don't you?" queried an executive she didn't recognize.
"I don't know what the hell it is," Borjesson shot back, "but don't you think we should be doing a story that asks a few questions about this guy and his documents?" The silence that followed was, as Borjesson admits, "deafening." When she had walked in to the room, she honestly believed she was about to correct an oversight at a level where it could be corrected quickly. "I walked out of there," said Borjesson, "feeling like I'd cooked my own goose."
Although CBS News had no interest in the sample, "60 Minutes" did. Borjesson warned Senior Producer Josh Howard that a federal grand jury had been convened to deal with legal issues around the TWA 800 investigation, but Howard wasn't put off. "We've dealt with grand juries before," he told her. Borjesson was elated. In the world of news, she told him, "60 Minutes" was the "last broadcast with balls." Borjesson put a sample that Sanders had sent so CBS could do its own independent testing in Howard's desk for safekeeping until she could locate a lab.
A few days later Borjesson got a call from her executive producer. The FBI wanted to talk to her "about some stolen evidence." As she learned, management had meekly handed over the untested sample to the FBI "where it disappeared forever."
Despite the CBS rollover, the government suspected that investigative reporter James Sanders had additional residue scraped from the seatbacks of TWA Flight 800. As soon as its agents fixed onto an alternate explanation, he could produce a second or third sample for testing, possibly publicly.
Almost immediately, Justice Department officials zeroed in on what they sensed was Sanders' Achilles heel, his wife Elizabeth. The Justice Department found its rationale on page A-12 of the Press-Enterprise story where Elizabeth Sanders was mentioned by name. In fact, James Sanders had had no real choice but to mention her. Elizabeth was a TWA employee and the wife of the journalist. Disclosure was mandatory.
In April 1997, James Sanders and his attorney met with the Justice Department, represented by Valerie Caproni, chief of the New York Justice Department Criminal Division. Caproni now chief counsel for the FBI was the same attorney who muscled the NTSB out of the witness interviews in its first few days. Arguably, she was a participant in the subversion of the investigation, and here she was prosecuting those who would expose that subversion. At the meeting, Caproni laid down her nuclear option: Unless he gave up "Hangar Man," his own "Deep Throat," the government would indict Elizabeth Sanders as well.
The Justice Department underestimated Elizabeth Sanders. Although confused and disheartened by the FBI's harassment of her, she advised the government though counsel that she declined to cooperate in its investigation of her husband's journalistic pursuits. Regardless of the cost, she cold not even conceive of betraying his source and her friend, Terrell Stacey "Hangar Man."
To escape her pursuers, Elizabeth Sanders had to take leave from TWA and avoid her home or anywhere else the FBI agents might find her. For eight unnerving months in 1997, she found refuge with a friend in a lonely house trailer in the Northwest semi-wilderness. She was cut off from her career, her co-workers, her mother and sisters, her husband and her adolescent son. The experience threw her into a profound depression.
Despite the Sanders' silence, the FBI seized Sanders' phone records and found their way to Stacey. The agents' job was to intimidate, to create a feeling of terror and helplessness, to get Stacey to roll over before he regained his composure, before he developed the presence of mind to request an attorney.
Stacey knew that if he, too, chose not to cooperate, it would cost him significant legal fees and quite likely his job. He instantly faced a weighty decision. How long could he keep his daughter in college? How long could he make the monthly payments on his beautiful home? How long could he continue the lease payments on his three cars? How long could he pay for a defense team capable of opposing the awesome power of the Justice Department? The only alternative was to cooperate. He pled guilty to a misdemeanor charge of stealing airplane parts from a crash scene.
The Sanders were not charged with theft. They were charged with conspiracy, aiding and abetting a source to obtain parts of an airplane, namely "residue." Their motive was transparently not to steal these parts, but to test evidence evidence of potential federal lawlessness.
The major media, however, found it comfortable to report the Sanders' transgression as theft. The New York Times would later note without a hint of irony or outrage that "the Sanderses were charged under a federal law enacted in 1996 after a truck driver in Florida was accused of taking a piece of the wreckage of the May 1996 Valujet crash as a souvenir." In fact, the law had been enacted in the 1960s to discourage souvenir hunters from carting away wreckage at a crash scene before authorities arrived. But the motive behind the act was, as described, to discourage scavengers. The Times also noted that the Sanders' attorney "tried yesterday to portray the matter as a free press issue," but the very word "tried" suggests the Times' lack of sympathy.
Newsday's online headline cut right to the chase: "Missile theorist, wife and pilot accused of stealing." Through this selective misinformation, the FBI was turning the potential Long Island jury pool against the Sanders.
It stunned the Sanders that none among the media managed to frame even one First Amendment question. When the Sanders' attorney attempted to bring this issue into focus, Newsday's Bob Kessler, began to argue the government's case. Another reporter asked the attorney why his client did not immediately return the residue and turn Stacey in to the FBI. James Sanders shook his head in disbelief.
Was it only a generation ago that the New York Times made Daniel Ellsberg a hero by publishing the purloined and fully classified "Pentagon Papers"? Or that the Washington Post had celebrated the daring-do of its own FBI source, the legendary "Deep Throat"?
"The day I was arrested was surreal," recalls Elizabeth Sanders. "It was something I would never thought could happen to an innocent, normal person in the United States." What made it all the worse was that the major media were celebrating her arrest. How times had changed, and how they would change again.
Jack Cashill is an Emmy-award winning independent writer and producer with a Ph.D. in American Studies from Purdue.
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I wish the government would come clean on TWA 800.
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Last fall, a friend of my husband lent him the MEGA FIX DVD. I was not familiar with Jack Cashill and thought this was going to be nothing but another conspiracy theory. Ho Hum.
Well I gotta tell you it was very compelling!
The corrupt Clinton White House took the investigation away from the NTSB and dispatched none other than RICHARD CLARKE of CIA to come up with an explanation for the crash. He took a cursory look at the engine compartment and immediately said the cause was an engine fire causing the explosion, like HE was an expert on such things! He then went on to produce an official CIA video explaining the cause of the crash, and all further investigation was shut down!
I despise that man, the star of the 911 hearings and fawned over by the press as THE TERRORISM EXPERT. He is a despicable LIAR.
After watching MEGA FIX, we looked at each other and said, hmmm, MAYbe!
After reading the above article, I HAVE NO MORE DOUBTS!!
That plane was shot down, and covered up by Clinton who felt that the controversy would cause him to lose the election.
I HIGHLY recommend watching this DVD.
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This article from last December, co-written by James Sanders (Elizabeth's husband) explains why the cover up by Clinton's Justice Dept:
| Quote: | Top FBI lawyer helped destroy TWA Flight 800
World Net Daily
Posted: December 3, 2004
In August 2003, a former U.S. attorney in the Clinton administration, Valerie Caproni, was appointed to the top legal job within the Federal Bureau of Investigation that of general counsel. As such, she provides legal advice to the director and other FBI officials and, among other duties, coordinates the defense of civil actions filed against the United States for the official acts of FBI employees.
"This is the coolest job in the world," the 5-foot-tall Caproni recently told Robert Vosper, author of a 4,000-word profile on Caproni in the Corporate Legal Times titled, "The Chosen One." "I can be doing national security stuff in the morning, a Patriot Act issue after lunch and an employment problem in the afternoon."
Caproni, however, has a clouded legal past that provides an unfortunate study in how the national security apparatus can function if placed in the wrong hands. Working in the Clinton Justice Department, Caproni did not need the Patriot Act to go awry.
The co-author of this article, James Sanders, learned about Caproni early in his investigation into the crash of TWA Flight 800. Within days of the crash, it was she who illegally took the investigation away from the National Transportation Safety Board and gave it to the FBI.
The relevant law [Title 49, section 1131(a)(2)] reads as follows: "An investigation by the Board ... has priority over any investigation by another department, agency or instrumentality of the United States Government." The "Board" in question is the National Transportation Safety Board. In other words, a "parallel" FBI investigation is by law inferior to the NTSB investigation.
Caproni, as head of the Justice Department Criminal District, Eastern District of New York, knew the law. She knew that the FBI was the subordinate agency. She knew that the NTSB could not legally be restricted in its pursuit of information. Still, in spite of the law, she used the full weight of the Justice Department, and the intimidating presence of the FBI, to order the NTSB witness group to cease and desist all of the critical eyewitness interviews.
"As for the charges that she and the FBI took over investigation," writes Vosper casually, "Caproni says she is guilty." The FBI never did declare TWA Flight 800 a crime scene, the only possible justification for Caproni's intrusion. An NTSB document reveals that Caproni and the Justice Department took over the investigation to ensure that only one story emerged from the witness interviews, the official story, their story. In this, she fully succeeded.
Caproni, alas, was just warming up. Her second major transgression was to place herself in charge of a grand jury investigating Sanders and his wife, Elizabeth. Sanders had received a residue sample from a source in the TWA Flight 800 investigation in his attempt to expose potential criminal misconduct by the same FBI that Caproni herself had illicitly imposed on site.
In the course of her investigation into the Sanders, Caproni crossed over the line into criminal territory [USC Title 18, section 1001]. She did so by declaring in writing that she did not know Sanders was a journalist, thus making it possible to seize his phone records and ultimately his computer and the information contained within its hard drive.
Caproni's purported ignorance of Sanders' profession defies belief. She, in fact, first learned about James Sanders from an account of his investigation in the Riverside Press Enterprise, March 10, 1997. Sanders' name was easy to find. It was on page one, above the fold, second paragraph of the lead story. To the immediate left of "James Sanders" were two words that challenge Caproni's innocence . The two words were "Investigative Reporter." Indeed, even the Corporate Legal Times' profile on Caproni describes Sanders as a "freelance journalist."
It was Sanders' reporting that first alerted Caproni to the problem at hand, namely that a journalist was probing into potential criminal acts within the TWA 800 investigation acts likely committed by federal officials. These officials, she knew, included herself and the FBI head of the investigation, James Kallstrom, who had been coerced into cooperating. The conflict of interest here should have caused Caproni to recuse herself. If not Caproni, her supervisors in the White House, Jamie Gorelick and Janet Reno, should never have allowed Caproni to pursue a case against her own potential accuser. But then again, it was the future 9-11 commissioner Gorelick who had leaned on Kallstrom.
When Sanders first met with Caproni in April 1997, he had no idea of the hornet's nest he was walking in to. Escorted by Jeff Schlanger, a former New York prosecutor, Sanders sat across from Caproni and a senior FBI agent. A large video taping system recorded the entire meeting. As part of the federal system used for video meetings during times of crisis, it was hooked up to other systems in Washington, D.C. as well as at the FBI's New York City headquarters. The Clinton Justice department had its first look at the retired cop turned journalist who threatened its grip on power.
At this meeting, Caproni told Sanders he would become the "target" of a Justice Department/FBI investigation if he did not immediately turn over the names of those inside the investigation who were assisting him. Sanders refused. His attorney argued for Sanders' First Amendment rights as a reporter. Caproni was not impressed.
The only words that count in a criminal case are those in the trial transcript, spoken under oath. Sanders' attorney at the April 1997 meeting, Jeff Schlanger, was placed under oath at the Sanders' criminal trial two years later. These are the relevant words from the trial transcript:
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Q: Did the government indicate at that meeting what, if any, actions they were prepared to take with respect to Liz Sanders?
A: At the very end of that meeting there was a change in the status of Mrs. Sanders from being just a subject in the investigation, to a possible target in the investigation. And that was communicated directly to myself and Mr. Sanders.
Q: And when you say [it] was communicated directly to you, what was your understanding if she did not cooperate?
A: That the government would at least attempt to seek an indictment against her as well.
Q: Now ...
A: It wasn't if she did not cooperate. It was if Mr. Sanders did not cooperate."
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The feds had a complete audio-video tape of the meeting. An FBI agent at that meeting was in the courtroom, available to rebut this sworn testimony. The Justice Department declined to engage further in the issue. Why? The testimony accurately reflected what the Justice Department video contained.
At that point the trial should have been over. The judge was certainly aware that Caproni had crossed the line once again into unlawful territory. Her threat against Elizabeth, now revealed in open court, constituted "vindictive prosecution." Worse, it violated the civil rights of the Sanders as no evidence was ever produced to validate Caproni's rationale for targeting Elizabeth. Caproni had simply exploited Elizabeth, holding her hostage to Justice Department chicanery, in a last-minute gambit to get her husband to identify his source.
But the trial did not end with this revelation. Caproni had stacked the federal deck against the Sanders. Both were convicted of conspiracy to steal airplane parts a law designed to protect crash sites from scavengers. The mainstream media, so seemingly keen on constitutional rights in the Ashcroft era, mocked the Sanders as "conspiracy theorists" and generally applauded their conviction.
In the years that followed, as Sanders served out his three-year probation, he often wondered why Caproni and her allies had hammered him so. A summation of her arguably illicit acts defies easy explanation. These include:
>Illegally turning the TWA 800 investigation over to the FBI.
>Leading a grand jury investigation of a reporter who was investigating her own misconduct.
>Denying in writing any knowledge that he was a reporter so she could seize his computer and phone records.
>Threatening the vindictive prosecution of Sanders' wife to force Sanders to cooperate.
>Making this threat knowing there was no evidence against Elizabeth Sanders.
>Overseeing the Sanders' conviction on irrelevant and gratuitous charges, thereby silencing her most dangerous journalist critic.
Only recently, upon discovering another reason beyond the obvious, did Sanders begin to understand Caproni's behavior. This reason, recently revealed, is a jaw dropper. In that ill-fated summer of 1996, Caproni, Kallstrom and other senior FBI agents may well have unwittingly assisted Islamic terrorist Ramzi Yousef in his effort to destroy an American commercial airliner.
At the time, Caproni was involved in an ongoing sting operation against Yousef. While being tried in federal court for his role in Operation Bojinka, Yousef's diabolical plot to destroy American targets through the air, Yousef operated under the illusion of having a safe telephone within his New York City jail
Yousef thought he was routing messages to the outside world through a phone controlled by the New York Cosa Nostra. Five-time Emmy-winner Peter Lance documents this thoroughly in his new book, "Cover Up." In fact, mob informant Gregory Scarpa Jr. was cooperating with the Justice Department. It was Caproni, by the way, who had put Scarpa behind bars, one of her "proudest accomplishments."
Yousef was on a mission. According to Lance, he needed to arrange for the destruction of an American commercial airliner during the course of his trial in order to demand a mistrial. A mistrial was a much more viable legal option if the aircraft were flying into or out of a New York City area airport.
Yousef made many calls that summer. All were recorded by the FBI. Among his correspondents was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, his uncle and the 9-11 mastermind. Unfortunately for the United States, Yousef often used two obscure languages that apparently the FBI could not translate in a timely fashion. At the precise time in the trial when Yousef needed a mistrial declared July 17, National Liberation Day in Saddam's Iraq TWA Flight 800 blew up off the coast of Long Island, compelling circumstantial evidence that Yousef succeeded in plotting the downing of a commercial plane using a telephone provided by the Justice Department and FBI.
The judge wisely denied him his mistrial. The Clinton Justice Department, with Caproni on point, unwisely buried the whole mess. And for about five more years, they likely thought they had pulled a fast one that is, until Sept. 11 made them rethink their wisdom.
"We need to stop the hypocrisy," the FBI's James Kallstrom told Dan Rather on that fateful day.
We couldn't agree more. |
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http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41748
This Ms. Caproni is still top lawyer at the Justice Dept. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY!! She should be doing jailtime.
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research thread by some FReepers
some really interesting stuff, but very very long read
contributers are identified by font color--the guy in 'red' is has some compelling techie info
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39943c2753e6.htm
one snippet~~
| Quote: | One of the Sherlock Holmes mysteries involves a crime committed by the owner of the house. The vital clue is that during the crime, the watchdog did not bark. Had the criminal been anyone BUT the owner, the dog would have barked.
Let's say that a boat (or the much hypothesized surplus Russian Diesel/Electric submarine) with a launch rail and radar acquisition gear has sailed along the coast of Long Island and flipped a shot off at the 747.
A lot of people, including several pilots, saw it. Chris Baur knew it was a missile immediately. As of November 1997, over 200 eyewitnesses thought they had seen an object rise up from the water's surface and approach the 747. Those with military experience described the object as a rocket, missile, or "ordnance explosion". Those with less military experience called it a firework or a flare. The overwhelming preponderance of eyewitness evidence is that there was a missile up there with the 747 (which is why the eyewitnesses were not allowed to speak at the NTSB's hearings in Baltimore).
Had the source of the missile been a strange vessel, one would expect there to have been a flurry of activity to chase down the source of the missile. There was a P-3 already overhead dropping sonobouys, plus two Los Angeles class fast attack subs. They would have immediately tried to chase down the boat with the launcher. Other naval forces in the area would have moved in, called into the fray by those on the scene.
Party-goers on the beach saw the missile, and they were not even on lookout duty. It is inconceivable that a missile could be fired right next to an ongoing naval exercise and escape detection by the world's best equipped high-tech Navy. Missiles, even man-portable ones, are a threat to Navy aircraft such as the P-3.
The Navy, defender of our coasts and protector of our shores, when detecting a missile launch that brings down a 747, should assume that an attack by an enemy is underway. That's what the Navy is trained to do. That's what We The People pay them to do. There is no reason for them to do otherwise.
Navy aircraft are equipped with a sensor system to counter the threat of man-portable missiles. I got to examine one close up when I toured a US Navy landing ship and was allowed to sit inside a Harrier. Every aircraft on the landing ship had this system installed.
Mounted on the airframe are four sensors, quartering the airspace around the aircraft The sensor is a wide angle lens, slightly reminiscent of the eye of HAL 9000. The output of the system is tied into the cockpit MFD, and the system is on when the avionics package is. The sensor is designed to react to the IR spectral signature of a burning missile plume, even if the missile is aimed right at the aircraft.
The point is that even if the P-3 crew wasn't watching for the missile, the anti-missile sensors on every Naval aircraft and the corresponding detectors on the naval ships in the area would have detected the missile.
The Navy is know known to have been testing its Aegis-CEC system when Flight 800 was shot down, a system designed to detect and respond to missile launches, a system already known to be able to do that from the MOUNTAINTOP series of tests at the Pacific Missile Test Range near Kauai.
It is inconceivable that the U.S. Navy missed the launch of a missile that took place in the middle of a test of a system that detects missile launches.
Following launch detection, the Navy was unusually positioned to search for and prosecute any boat or submarine from which the missile was launched, with a sonobouy equipped P-3, plus two Los Angeles class fast-attack submarines, plus a "boomer", all with the very best in sensors and in the immediate vicinity, backed up by other naval assets in the area, including the USS Normandy. It would have been expected to see all available Naval and Aviation assets surge into the Atlantic to establish an interdiction zone and block the possible escape of any launch boat.
But there was no fray. The Naval forces flew and sailed to the scene of the crash (followed by deep salvage vessels), kicking out the divers from the NYPD (who had jurisdiction in those waters) but the flotilla of ships and planes one would expect to sail out into the Atlantic to search for the launch boat (or sub) never occurred. Surface radar shows the fleet continuing into W-105 as if nothing had happened.
And, that's just the Navy.
Also on scene was a Coast Guard cutter, on routine patrol, with lookouts on duty that could not possibly miss what so many on shore saw. Why didn't they look for the source of the missile?
There were also two Air National Guard aircraft on the area, on routine exercises. Is it really possible they did not see what so many other pilots in the area did not see?
Hardly.
Given that multiple simultaneous terrorist attacks are not without historical precedent, it would be a foolish commander indeed who would risk his brass on the assumption there would be no more missiles. There should have been an increase in the alert status up and down the seaboard with increased patrols and surveillance.
At the very least, the FAA, with a dead 747 and evidence of unknown traffic in the area on the radar scopes, should have, as a reasonable precaution, re-routed other civilian traffic away from the area and out of reach of a follow-up missile. The paper trail indicates that it was suspected at the time of the crash that there had been a missile. No FAA controller would gamble the lives of passengers that there wouldn't be a second missile. They had diverted traffic once that night for the Navy exercise, why not a second time? The Olympics were starting that week. Terrorism was on everyone's mind.
But there was no search for the source of the missile. There was no increase in alert level. And while the wreckage of flight 800 burned on the water, passenger jets cruised the airspace overhead.
None of the reactions that should have followed the launch of a missile from an unknown source happened. None.
The dog did not bark.
Ergo, the source of the missile was already known at the time.
And isn't it strange that the very same people who insist that the United States government would never, ever cover-up an accidental shoot down by the Navy are the same people who insist that the United States government is covering up for terrorists. |
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The cover-up of the COVER-UP continues.
My question has always been "Why did SANDY BERGER destroy those documents??"
It had to be something EXTREMELY damning for Berger to engage in
CRIMINAL activity.
Was it the president's handwritten notes on documents he was reviewing regarding TWA Flight 800 being used for "Operation Bojinka" as Buzz Patterson relates??
Did Clinton order the plane shot down, and the COVER-UP began??
| Quote: | Berger deal suggests darker plot
Posted: April 5, 2005
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On Thursday, March 31, just hours after Terri Schiavo died, the Justice Department announced that former Clinton national security adviser, Sandy Berger, was about to get his wrist slapped.
Among the "mistakes" that triggered the slap was Berger's hand-shredding of several critical documents with a pair of scissors. Another "mistake" that Berger acknowledged was lying to all and everyone about what he had done when first questioned. He now admits the destruction of these documents was "not inadvertent."
With both Schiavo dead and the pope dying, the media were free to downplay the Berger story, which they eagerly did. They provided almost no answers and asked few questions. The Washington Post, however, did manage to pose a conundrum, "It remains unclear," asked the Post, "why [Berger] destroyed three versions of a document, but left two other versions intact."
In an earlier article on Berger, I suggested an answer to this question the president's handwritten notes on a document make one version entirely more dangerous than an identical document without those notes. My source for this process was Col. Buzz Patterson, author of "Dereliction of Duty."
Patterson carried the "nuclear football" for the president during the fateful summer of 1996 and as such had almost total access. One morning that Patterson identifies only as "late-summer" 1996, he was returning a daily intelligence update to the National Security Council when he noticed the heading "Operation Bojinka." As Patterson relates, "I keyed on a reference to a plot to use commercial airliners as weapons." As a pilot, he had a keen interest in the same.
In the way of an omen, Islamic terrorist Ramzi Yousef was on trial in New York on the day of July 17, 1996, for his role in Operation Bojinka (Serbo-Croatian for "loud bang"). The publicly known part of this plot was Yousef's plan to blow up 11 American airliners over the Pacific. A lesser-known element of Bojinka, the one Patterson stumbled upon, was the plan to use planes as flying bombs. That same summer, courtesy of an FBI informant in Yousef's New York jail, Yousef was actively communicating with the terrorist world. Among his correspondents was his uncle, Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9-11.
Patterson was not in position to connect Bojinka and TWA Flight 800. The knowledge of what happened the night of July 17, 1996, had been kept remarkably tight. What Patterson did learn from seeing the president's hand-annotated response to this intelligence report is that Clinton had read it carefully.
"I can state for a fact that this information was circulated within the U.S. intelligence community," Patterson writes, "and that in late 1996 the president was aware of it." That Clinton was reviewing this information in the immediate aftermath of TWA Flight 800's demise suggests more than mere coincidence: The FBI had received these documents from the Philippine police 18 months earlier.
Berger now says that the documents he shredded had to do with an after-action review written by Richard Clarke and dealing with various terrorist threats at the time of the millennium. A little skepticism is in order here. Could these documents possibly have been worth risking one's career over? I don't think so.
The Bush Justice Department has given Berger a pass in the form of a $10,000 fine and a meaningless three-year suspension of his security clearance. The probe dies with the fine.
There is one likely reason why the Bush administration cooperated in the suppression of this story. Revealing it might have dangerously destabilized the government. The TWA Flight 800-9/11 thread is among the very few revelations that has the potential to do just that. |
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43641
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http://www.wnd.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39605
 "I can state for a fact that this information was circulated within the U.S. intelligence community," Patterson writes, "and that in late 1996 the president was aware of it." That Clinton was reviewing this information in the immediate aftermath of TWA Flight 800's demise suggests more than mere coincidence the FBI had received these documents from the Philippine police 18 months earlier.
This scenario makes sense of at least three other variables. One is the insistence by FBI honcho James Kallstrom that a "bomb" destroyed TWA Flight 800. The second is John Kerry's two TV references in September 2001 to TWA Flight 800 as a "terrorist" act. The third is George Stephanopoulos' on-air comment to Peter Jennings on that fateful Sept. 11 in which he talked about the "situation room" in the White House.
"In my time at the White House," Stephanopoulos told Jennings, "it was used in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing, in the aftermath of the TWA Flight 800 bombing, and that would be the way they would stay in contact through the afternoon."
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| sometimes I get them confused....is this the same NY area crash where the pilot was an Egyptian? and on the flight recorder he was heard praying over and over to Allah right before? Which one was that? I always thought there was a cover-up on that one. |
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Look at this Executive Order signed on the day of the TWA800 disaster.
The Federal Labor-Management Relations Program includes the Wistle Blower clause but by Excluding the Naval Special Warfare Development Group from it, there would be no protection. Anyone from the Navy who spoke about the debris they collected, would be punished for violating National Security.
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looks like the eyewitnesses had to take out there own Ad in the Washington Times on 8-15-2000
http://twa800.com/images/times-8-15-00.gif
more here:
http://www.twa800.com/radar.htm
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This article from last December, co-written by James Sanders (Elizabeth's husband) explains why the cover up by Clinton's Justice Dept:
Top FBI lawyer helped destroy TWA Flight 800
Posted: December 3, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
WorldNetDaily.com
~~snip~~Only recently, upon discovering another reason beyond the obvious, did Sanders begin to understand Caproni's behavior. This reason, recently revealed, is a jaw dropper. In that ill-fated summer of 1996, Caproni, Kallstrom and other senior FBI agents may well have unwittingly assisted Islamic terrorist Ramzi Yousef in his effort to destroy an American commercial airliner.
At the time, Caproni was involved in an ongoing sting operation against Yousef. While being tried in federal court for his role in Operation Bojinka, Yousef's diabolical plot to destroy American targets through the air, Yousef operated under the illusion of having a safe telephone within his New York City jail
Yousef thought he was routing messages to the outside world through a phone controlled by the New York Cosa Nostra. Five-time Emmy-winner Peter Lance documents this thoroughly in his new book, "Cover Up." In fact, mob informant Gregory Scarpa Jr. was cooperating with the Justice Department. It was Caproni, by the way, who had put Scarpa behind bars, one of her "proudest accomplishments."
Yousef was on a mission. According to Lance, he needed to arrange for the destruction of an American commercial airliner during the course of his trial in order to demand a mistrial. A mistrial was a much more viable legal option if the aircraft were flying into or out of a New York City area airport.
Yousef made many calls that summer. All were recorded by the FBI. Among his correspondents was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, his uncle and the 9-11 mastermind. Unfortunately for the United States, Yousef often used two obscure languages that apparently the FBI could not translate in a timely fashion. [b]At the precise time in the trial when Yousef needed a mistrial declared July 17, National Liberation Day in Saddam's Iraq TWA Flight 800 blew up off the coast of Long Island, compelling circumstantial evidence that Yousef succeeded in plotting the downing of a commercial plane using a telephone provided by the Justice Department and FBI. |
A few years ago I happened upon a website where someone had posted a slew of the FBI '302' documents as regard to this Yousef connection to TWA 800. What an eye opener!. In Yousef's and the FBI's own words! I have been searching to find the link again, probably the site was taken down.... ( wish I had saved the documents)
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FBI "302s"
http://peterlance.com/
found that site..here is just one sample
need to go through them all again!
my transcription
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when questioned regarding the incident to take place within the next two to three weeks and the incident associated with the Olympics, SCARPA(protect identity) stated he believes these are two separate events, and both will involve U.S. airliners. He believes that the first event may take place within the next week or two as approximately one week has already elapsed. SCARPA(protect identity) did not know through what channels YOUSEF will receive the information. An individual possibly BOJENKA is coming from England to Atlanta to check security measures at the Olympics. This person may already be in the United States. |
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I posted info about the TWA800 coverup on this forum last summer:
http://www.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=18088&highlight=twa+800
I am glad to see others are posting stuff also, this has to come out! It was a Clinton WH coverup. This will sink Hiliary if it comes to the greater publics notice. No eyewitnesses to the event were allowed to testify at the NTSB hearings, what a farce!! |
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