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Me#1You#10
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 Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:10 am Post subject: Lieberman: U.S. to Finish Iraq Mission |
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Well, looks like PajamasMedia is up and running...and here's an offering from a Democrat I would consider voting for...
| Quote: | Lieberman: U.S. to Finish Iraq Mission
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Nov. 23, 2005 (AP Online delivered by Newstex) -- U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman told Iraq's prime minister Wednesday that U.S. forces will remain in Iraq until their mission is complete, despite growing unease in Congress about the progress of the conflict here.
"We cannot let extremists and terrorists, a small number, here in Iraq deprive the 27 million Iraqis of what they want which is a better freer life, safer life for themselves and their children" Lieberman said after his meeting with Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari.
The Connecticut Democrat, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the cost of success in Iraq would be high "but the cost for America of failure in Iraq would be catastrophic _ for America, for the Iraqi people and I believe for the world."
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:14 am Post subject: |
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I also would consider him a viable candidate for the real Democratic party (not the Democrats), and even though I probably wouldn't vote for him I do think he represents the best they have. I think he's better than some of the RINOs as well. Maybe we could convince him to switch to the "Right" side???
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:31 am Post subject: |
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#1,
Read this article,
I'd Rather Be Right
By David Gutmann
And could not help but think of Lieberman throughout the article and the crisis of conscience he must face each day for faith in God, love of country and loyalty to party.
He is on the verge of switching parties and there is no doubt in my mind a Jew will never be President or Vice President unless he is a conservative. The radical left hates Jews to a point of wanting to kill them as opposed to vote for them. This is the crisis of conscience he faces and will make his switch happen.
It would not be surprising to see a Condi/Lieberman ticket come 2008.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| USAFE5 wrote: | | I also would consider him a viable candidate for the real Democratic party (not the Democrats), and even though I probably wouldn't vote for him I do think he represents the best they have. I think he's better than some of the RINOs as well. Maybe we could convince him to switch to the "Right" side??? |
Lieberman vs McCain?
no brainer: Liebermann gets my vote. |
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If Joe Lieberman will agree, I'll trade Howard Dean one Lieberman for a McCain and a hack to named later. Everyone would be happier.
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| Lieberman is an honorable man that needs to leave that party. If he doesn't, he's the first and only Democrat I'd vote for. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:55 pm Post subject: Re: Lieberman: U.S. to Finish Iraq Mission |
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| Me#1You#10 wrote: | Well, looks like PajamasMedia is up and running...and here's an offering from a Democrat I would consider voting for...
| Quote: | Lieberman: U.S. to Finish Iraq Mission
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Nov. 23, 2005 (AP Online delivered by Newstex) -- U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman told Iraq's prime minister Wednesday that U.S. forces will remain in Iraq until their mission is complete, despite growing unease in Congress about the progress of the conflict here.
"We cannot let extremists and terrorists, a small number, here in Iraq deprive the 27 million Iraqis of what they want which is a better freer life, safer life for themselves and their children" Lieberman said after his meeting with Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari.
The Connecticut Democrat, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the cost of success in Iraq would be high "but the cost for America of failure in Iraq would be catastrophic _ for America, for the Iraqi people and I believe for the world."
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I visited the PajamasMedia site....looks great and I will keep bookmarked! Any chance that the group evolved from this site? |
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Me#1You#10
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Just for the record...
| Quote: | Our Troops Must Stay
America can't abandon 27 million Iraqis to 10,000 terrorists.
BY JOE LIEBERMAN
Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:01 a.m. EST
I have just returned from my fourth trip to Iraq in the past 17 months and can report real progress there. More work needs to be done, of course, but the Iraqi people are in reach of a watershed transformation from the primitive, killing tyranny of Saddam to modern, self-governing, self-securing nationhood--unless the great American military that has given them and us this unexpected opportunity is prematurely withdrawn.
Progress is visible and practical. In the Kurdish North, there is continuing security and growing prosperity. The primarily Shiite South remains largely free of terrorism, receives much more electric power and other public services than it did under Saddam, and is experiencing greater economic activity. The Sunni triangle, geographically defined by Baghdad to the east, Tikrit to the north and Ramadi to the west, is where most of the terrorist enemy attacks occur. And yet here, too, there is progress.
There are many more cars on the streets, satellite television dishes on the roofs, and literally millions more cell phones in Iraqi hands than before. All of that says the Iraqi economy is growing. And Sunni candidates are actively campaigning for seats in the National Assembly. People are working their way toward a functioning society and economy in the midst of a very brutal, inhumane, sustained terrorist war against the civilian population and the Iraqi and American military there to protect it.
It is a war between 27 million and 10,000; 27 million Iraqis who want to live lives of freedom, opportunity and prosperity and roughly 10,000 terrorists who are either Saddam revanchists, Iraqi Islamic extremists or al Qaeda foreign fighters who know their wretched causes will be set back if Iraq becomes free and modern. The terrorists are intent on stopping this by instigating a civil war to produce the chaos that will allow Iraq to replace Afghanistan as the base for their fanatical war-making. We are fighting on the side of the 27 million because the outcome of this war is critically important to the security and freedom of America. If the terrorists win, they will be emboldened to strike us directly again and to further undermine the growing stability and progress in the Middle East, which has long been a major American national and economic security priority.
Before going to Iraq last week, I visited Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Israel has been the only genuine democracy in the region, but it is now getting some welcome company from the Iraqis and Palestinians who are in the midst of robust national legislative election campaigns, the Lebanese who have risen up in proud self-determination after the Hariri assassination to eject their Syrian occupiers (the Syrian- and Iranian-backed Hezbollah militias should be next), and the Kuwaitis, Egyptians and Saudis who have taken steps to open up their governments more broadly to their people. In my meeting with the thoughtful prime minister of Iraq, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, he declared with justifiable pride that his country now has the most open, democratic political system in the Arab world. He is right.
In the face of terrorist threats and escalating violence, eight million Iraqis voted for their interim national government in January, almost 10 million participated in the referendum on their new constitution in October, and even more than that are expected to vote in the elections for a full-term government on Dec. 15. Every time the 27 million Iraqis have been given the chance since Saddam was overthrown, they have voted for self-government and hope over the violence and hatred the 10,000 terrorists offer them. Most encouraging has been the behavior of the Sunni community, which, when disappointed by the proposed constitution, registered to vote and went to the polls instead of taking up arms and going to the streets. Last week, I was thrilled to see a vigorous political campaign, and a large number of independent television stations and newspapers covering it.
None of these remarkable changes would have happened without the coalition forces led by the U.S. And, I am convinced, almost all of the progress in Iraq and throughout the Middle East will be lost if those forces are withdrawn faster than the Iraqi military is capable of securing the country.
The leaders of Iraq's duly elected government understand this, and they asked me for reassurance about America's commitment. The question is whether the American people and enough of their representatives in Congress from both parties understand this. I am disappointed by Democrats who are more focused on how President Bush took America into the war in Iraq almost three years ago, and by Republicans who are more worried about whether the war will bring them down in next November's elections, than they are concerned about how we continue the progress in Iraq in the months and years ahead.
Here is an ironic finding I brought back from Iraq. While U.S. public opinion polls show serious declines in support for the war and increasing pessimism about how it will end, polls conducted by Iraqis for Iraqi universities show increasing optimism. Two-thirds say they are better off than they were under Saddam, and a resounding 82% are confident their lives in Iraq will be better a year from now than they are today. What a colossal mistake it would be for America's bipartisan political leadership to choose this moment in history to lose its will and, in the famous phrase, to seize defeat from the jaws of the coming victory.
The leaders of America's military and diplomatic forces in Iraq, Gen. George Casey and Ambassador Zal Khalilzad, have a clear and compelling vision of our mission there. It is to create the environment in which Iraqi democracy, security and prosperity can take hold and the Iraqis themselves can defend their political progress against those 10,000 terrorists who would take it from them.
Does America have a good plan for doing this, a strategy for victory in Iraq? Yes we do. And it is important to make it clear to the American people that the plan has not remained stubbornly still but has changed over the years. Mistakes, some of them big, were made after Saddam was removed, and no one who supports the war should hesitate to admit that; but we have learned from those mistakes and, in characteristic American fashion, from what has worked and not worked on the ground. The administration's recent use of the banner "clear, hold and build" accurately describes the strategy as I saw it being implemented last week.
We are now embedding a core of coalition forces in every Iraqi fighting unit, which makes each unit more effective and acts as a multiplier of our forces. Progress in "clearing" and "holding" is being made. The Sixth Infantry Division of the Iraqi Security Forces now controls and polices more than one-third of Baghdad on its own. Coalition and Iraqi forces have together cleared the previously terrorist-controlled cities of Fallujah, Mosul and Tal Afar, and most of the border with Syria. Those areas are now being "held" secure by the Iraqi military themselves. Iraqi and coalition forces are jointly carrying out a mission to clear Ramadi, now the most dangerous city in Al-Anbar province at the west end of the Sunni Triangle.
Nationwide, American military leaders estimate that about one-third of the approximately 100,000 members of the Iraqi military are able to "lead the fight" themselves with logistical support from the U.S., and that that number should double by next year. If that happens, American military forces could begin a drawdown in numbers proportional to the increasing self-sufficiency of the Iraqi forces in 2006. If all goes well, I believe we can have a much smaller American military presence there by the end of 2006 or in 2007, but it is also likely that our presence will need to be significant in Iraq or nearby for years to come.
The economic reconstruction of Iraq has gone slower than it should have, and too much money has been wasted or stolen. Ambassador Khalilzad is now implementing reform that has worked in Afghanistan--Provincial Reconstruction Teams, composed of American economic and political experts, working in partnership in each of Iraq's 18 provinces with its elected leadership, civil service and the private sector. That is the "build" part of the "clear, hold and build" strategy, and so is the work American and international teams are doing to professionalize national and provincial governmental agencies in Iraq.
These are new ideas that are working and changing the reality on the ground, which is undoubtedly why the Iraqi people are optimistic about their future--and why the American people should be, too.
I cannot say enough about the U.S. Army and Marines who are carrying most of the fight for us in Iraq. They are courageous, smart, effective, innovative, very honorable and very proud. After a Thanksgiving meal with a great group of Marines at Camp Fallujah in western Iraq, I asked their commander whether the morale of his troops had been hurt by the growing public dissent in America over the war in Iraq. His answer was insightful, instructive and inspirational: "I would guess that if the opposition and division at home go on a lot longer and get a lot deeper it might have some effect, but, Senator, my Marines are motivated by their devotion to each other and the cause, not by political debates."
Thank you, General. That is a powerful, needed message for the rest of America and its political leadership at this critical moment in our nation's history. Semper Fi.
Mr. Lieberman is a Democratic senator from Connecticut.
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I agree with RDTF. I think Lieberman belongs in the Republican party, like Zell Miller. I don't agree with a lot of what Joe says, but I do believe he is as honest as you will see in a politician.
You can email him yourself at this link:
http://lieberman.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm?regarding=issue
I do every once in awhile just to let him know people from other states and parties support and appreciate what he is doing.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:29 am Post subject: |
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Fresh on the heels of this article, Senator Lieberman just may have received the best news he could hope for;
| Quote: | MoveOn.org May Not Support Sen. Lieberman
Friday, Dec. 2, 2005 12:18 a.m. EST
Sen. Joe Lieberman stands virtually alone among Democrats after expressing his staunch support for the Bush administration’s handling of the war in Iraq.
An official with the liberal activist group MoveOn.org said the group might go so far as to back a Democratic challenger to Lieberman in next year’s Senate race, according to the Hartford Courant. |
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Let's hope Senator Lieberman wakes up and sees just where his main support really is and changes his affiliation appropriately. I would tell him to never regret abandoning a sinking ship. |
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| LewWaters wrote: | | I would tell him to never regret abandoning a sinking ship. |
It is important for Lieberman to hear this from people such as yourself Lew. Under no circumstance is their a reason for a sailor to stay with a empty vessel while it drowns. The reason captains stay with their ships are beyond numerous, but it has little to do with the romance of movies or novels. It is mostly about chain of command and they are where the buck stops. No time for second guessing so as long as someone is still on board, the captain is still in command of his vessel, regardless of its unfortunate status.
Although we make it romantic after the fact, the Captain of the ship hardly is thinking of that prior to his death. He is thinking of the well being of his crew at the expense of himself. This is called discipline.
We too often romanticize the honorable warrior with the 'Fletcher' islander.
As for Lieberman, I hope he does realize his ship no longer has a crew and he can bail.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:10 am Post subject: |
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and Lieberman continues, well aware of the grumbling by the Libs
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| Quote: | Friday, Dec. 2, 2005
Sen. Joe Lieberman: Saddam Had WMD Programs
Following up on his Wall Street Journal article Tuesday defending the Iraq war, Sen. Joseph Lieberman is reminding Bush administration critics that it's wrong to claim that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction when the U.S. attacked in 2003.
"The so-called Duelfer Report, which a lot of people read to say there were no weapons of mass destruction - concluded that Saddam continued to have very low level of chemical and biological programs," Lieberman told ABC Radio host Sean Hannity on Wednesday.
"[Saddam] was trying to break out of the U.N. sanctions by going back into rapid redevelopment of chemical and biological and probably nuclear [weapons]," Lieberman said, calling the Iraqi dictator "a ticking time bomb."
"I have no regrets" that the U.S. toppled Saddam, the former vice presidential candidate explained. "I think we can finish are job there, and as part of it - really transform the Arab-Islamic world."
Lieberman said that his fellow Democrats haven't taken kindly to his decision to buck his party on Iraq.
"There's been some grumbling," he told Hannity. "In Connecticut there's a 'Dump Joe' web site that has cropped up."
But Lieberman added, "I've been here long enough where, at this stage in my career, I'm going to do what I think is right." |
speaking of Zell
see this (long) article
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| Quote: | Senator Zel Miller, It's Time for Decent Democrats to Become Responsible Republicans.
By Michael J. Gaynor
November 27, 2005
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"Democrats (motto: anything to win an election) have no plan to deal with terrorists. They have to wait until public-opinion pollsters tell them what to do next.
"It's back to the degenerate barbarities of the 1960s student-activist Weatherman era. Democrats' wetted-fingers-in-the-air are so sensitized to breezes of public opinion that they don't need a weatherman to tell them which way it's blowing. Ted Kennedy and John Kerry assiduously fan the coals still glowing under the ashes of liberal-socialism's burnt-out ideas. Once again, we hear echoes of wisdom from unhinged student sit-ins: end the fight and liberate 'the people' from capitalist oppression. For Baby-Boomer liberal Democrats it doesn't matter if millions of Cambodians, Vietnamese, and now Iraqis, are slaughtered because of our abandonment.
"It's back to the days of Slick Willie's foreign policy governed by domestic political aims. Make nice to third-world dictators-of-color in order to identify the Democrats with multi-cultural political- correctness. For liberal Democrats it doesn't matter whether our national security is endangered, so long as they project a proper socialistic 'sensitivity' to the opinion of mobs in the streets of Europe and the United States.
"As dictated by their worship of atheistic, secular materialism, these Democrats have reduced themselves to soulless, mechanical receptors of mob mania manipulated by the liberal media. Don't bother to think about the consequences of speech or actions; just react to the material nudging of public opinion, wherever it pushes."
Senator Miller, are you paying attention?
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