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Schadow
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:29 am    Post subject: Hang together or hang separately? Reply with quote

This was not a good day for Republican unity.

From Yahoo News

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WASHINGTON - In an election-year repudiation of President Bush, a House panel dominated by Republicans voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to block a Dubai-owned firm from taking control of some U.S port operations.

By 62-2, the Appropriations Committee voted to bar DP World, run by the government of Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, from holding leases or contracts at U.S. ports. Bush has promised to veto any such measure passed by Congress, but there is widespread public opposition to the deal and the GOP fears losing its advantage on the issue of national security in this fall's elections.

As the panel acted, Democrats on the other side of the Capitol were clamoring for a vote on the same issue in the GOP-led Senate.

"We believe an overwhelming majority will vote to end the deal," said Democrat Charles Schumer of New York, whose attempt to force the issue to the floor brought the Senate to a late-afternoon standstill.

By its vote, the House committee attached the ports language to a must-pass $91 billion measure financing hurricane recovery and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The full House could consider that measure as early as next week.

While GOP Senate leaders hope to delay a quick showdown with Bush on the issue, the House panel, including members of Bush's own party, showed a willingness to defy him.


(The House Appropriations Committee has 64 members???. Good grief. Talk about design by committee.)

And, this from the Evans-Novak Report via PowerLine

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All the evidence suggests that the Bush Administration now has an all-out rebellion on its hands from the GOP Congress. This is not isolated in any single issue, such as the ports deal, but in fact extends to that and numerous other issues as well. Republican congressmen are tired of being bullied and ignored by a heavy-handed executive, and they are playing hardball with their President. Given his unpopularity, many of them find it useful to distance themselves from Bush anyway.

In short, Bush has little leverage left within his own party, and his transformation to lame-duck status is all but complete. On all sides, conservative Republicans are working against him.


Gives one a helpless feeling. This could lead to losing the farm bigtime. Where is Newt when you need him?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It feels as if Capt. McQueeg just gained control of the Republican party. Left wing Liberals must be real happy tonight.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makes one get a clammy feeling all over and break out in cold sweats and go screaming into the night, "No....No....No!"

Common sense is out the door and lunacy reigns.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

all the knee jerk reaction by members of congress who want to get re-elected makes me ill. i recall a simliar reaction when the 9/11 commission came out. w wanted to take some time with certain aspects of it before jumping in, but nooooooo. well, he was right, we ended up with the fema -homeland defense drama for example. then there was the michael brown ordeal, brownie you did a good job. another knee jerk reaction to get rid of him. (same thing with the trent lott affair). same reaction with miers, who would have voted the same as alito. so, now it's the port deal. i think that i'll hang with the president, he's been right more than they have. the congress is clueless when it comes to looking at the big picture. they should be hanging together, they are going to ruin everything.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't always agree with this blogger, but tonight i do. my brief stint with the republicans is over, i'm back to being an independent (as my name suggests from when i first started reading and posting here). fat chance i will ever vote for a democrat at the national level, but i can't stand with the gutless republican wonders of congress. somebody find them some backbone quick.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2006/03/why_legislators.html
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have found it best for my sanity and nerves not to be reactionary to the reactionaries. The life cycle of "crisis" issues seems to be just a few weeks and though it has appeared of late that a succession of "crisis" life cycles have built into a rising tide of reactionarianism (how's that for a new word?), if we step back and take a longer look at things, we can sleep well at night.

Consider what has happened since Clinton and his wonder boys Carville and Bagala began to brow beat us with how evil we are and how great they are.........Dem loss of control of Congress, W elected twice, lower tax rates for a recovering economy, dramatic change to Supreme Court plus hundreds of lower court appointments etc, Sure there are disquieting issues like immigration and excess spending on gov bureaucracy but think of what it would have been. I too wish that Rep. lawmakers would get some backbone. It would accelerate and smooth out the demise of liberalism. Their fecklessness may be slowing the progress but I do not see it reversing (yet) the progress being made in discrediting liberalism/socialism. For that to happen the Dems will have to decide what they are for besides "hate Bush".

Watching and listening to our President reminds me of The Little Engine That Could or the Turtle who raced the rabbit. I also get the image of Indaina Jones, who when confronted with a whirling, sword and dagger whielding Ninja, stands and watches a few moments in bemusement, pulls out a pistol and shoots him in the face.

Let's keep the faith.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said, homesteader!!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still against the port deal going thru.... Congress will be screwed up for as long as time allows.

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Watching and listening to our President reminds me of The Little Engine That Could or the Turtle who raced the rabbit. I also get the image of Indaina Jones, who when confronted with a whirling, sword and dagger whielding Ninja, stands and watches a few moments in bemusement, pulls out a pistol and shoots him in the face.

Let's keep the faith.


Nice bit of icing there.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congressional critics to the port deal remind me of a cook our family had when I was a kid living in a Muslim country. She was a Muslim and would not touch pork (when described as pig in Arabic), not even to cook it for us. My mother broke the code and told her it was "jambon" (French for ham). Well that was OK and she had not problem cooking jambon and would even eat it.

This afternoon it seems that the royal family of Dubai has broken the code and will now call the US part of its P&O purchase "jambon" which will be acceptable to the ignorants.

This is embarrassing!!!!!!


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

homesteader wrote:
I have found it best for my sanity and nerves not to be reactionary to the reactionaries. The life cycle of "crisis" issues seems to be just a few weeks and though it has appeared of late that a succession of "crisis" life cycles have built into a rising tide of reactionarianism (how's that for a new word?), if we step back and take a longer look at things, we can sleep well at night.

Consider what has happened since Clinton and his wonder boys Carville and Bagala began to brow beat us with how evil we are and how great they are.........Dem loss of control of Congress, W elected twice, lower tax rates for a recovering economy, dramatic change to Supreme Court plus hundreds of lower court appointments etc, Sure there are disquieting issues like immigration and excess spending on gov bureaucracy but think of what it would have been. I too wish that Rep. lawmakers would get some backbone. It would accelerate and smooth out the demise of liberalism. Their fecklessness may be slowing the progress but I do not see it reversing (yet) the progress being made in discrediting liberalism/socialism. For that to happen the Dems will have to decide what they are for besides "hate Bush".


Homesteader, your post was indeed well put.

Your point about time smoothing everything out is comforting to a point. I've had quite a long time to observe that phenomenon. (I was born when Hoover was president) I can remember many 'sky is falling' episodes which we somehow weathered. And, a study of history shows that doom was regularly predicted from the days of the nation's founding. And, probably some people thought "Well, this crisis is the big one. We can't possibly survive this". But, we did.

However, my senses tell me that we are faced with the biggest one yet: the encroachment of Islam with their vow of killing all non-muslims. Up 'till now, our nation's armed conflicts have been fought on fairly symmetrical terms, meaning our enemies had roughly the same arms and tactics that we had. Symmetry was stretched a bit in Korea and Vietnam in the tactical area. Vietnam was actually won but for linguini-spined politicians giving into press-inspired popular opinion and the lying testimony of certain traitors. Who knows how Korea would have turned out if MacArthur was allowed to pursue the NKs into China. Korea stands as our longest-running war, not yet resolved, just under a truce.

Our fight with Islam is radically unsymmetrical. We are superior in arms but have no clue how to fight them tactically. George Washington had the opposite experience. Outgunned by the Brits, Washington turned the Revolution into a victory at Trenton by the superior tactic of patiently waiting until the Hessian allies of the Brits got too cold and went inside houses and got drunk. Tactics ultimately wins. Let's hope we can come up with winning tactics on this one.

Our best hope at the moment is the Bush administration, warts and all. The thought of ANY known Democrat being given the job of defending this country against this enemy is appalling to consider. Islamic radicals would not be impressed by 'understanding' and 'nuance'.

To even consider that the Dems will get past hating Bush is, in my opinion, a waste of time. Everything they do has roots in that hate. Just today, Schumer attached an amendment to the lobbying reform bill to kill the Dubai Ports World deal. A filibuster started on the amendment and a cloture vote failed. We now have the prospect of both the House and Senate trying to kill the port deal by attaching to vital bills - defense spending, Katrina relief and lobbying reform. Shortly after the Senate vote, it was announced that DPW would sublease operations of our ports to American companies. Are the Dems happy with that? Of course not. Schumer is pressing on. "The devil is in the details" says he.

The rumbles of impeachment grow more frequent. Some in this forum claim this will never happen and I hope they're right. But - I'll repeat again - if the Dems get the House back, they'll surely try it and the effect on the nation's security be damned.

Sorry for this disjointed post, but a strong squall line full of lightning is about on top of us and I've got to pull the plugs!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it looks like dp world took the high road and yanked the deal, pretty smart move on their part in more ways than one.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

homesteader wrote:
I have found it best for my sanity and nerves not to be reactionary to the reactionaries. The life cycle of "crisis" issues seems to be just a few weeks and though it has appeared of late that a succession of "crisis" life cycles have built into a rising tide of reactionarianism (how's that for a new word?), if we step back and take a longer look at things, we can sleep well at night.


There is no crisis. There is only MSM-generated hype.

Just as there was no mass murder by US soldiers in Vietnam. Same phenomenon.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Our best hope at the moment is the Bush administration, warts and all. The thought of ANY known Democrat being given the job of defending this country against this enemy is appalling to consider. Islamic radicals would not be impressed by 'understanding' and 'nuance'.

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To even consider that the Dems will get past hating Bush is, in my opinion, a waste of time. Everything they do has roots in that hate.


I agree wholeheartedly.... and the impeachment thing... there’s a slow train coming round the bend

My sense is it is absolutely essential they launch impeachment hearings soon. No matter what the substance is.. the logic is ’ retaliation' for Lewinsky.

Again the ballast in the keel of the DNC is nothing but hate.... something they have in common with the fascist end of the religion of peace.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this story continues to have legs, it's going to be the biggest embarassment yet, even bigger than Dan Rather's forged AWOL papers, and John Kerry.
The real loser here is American Security in the Dubai Ports as the U.S. Navy loses it's terminals and American businesses, such as Boeing's sales of 777's to the UAE.
Basically, American security was flushed down the toilet, ironically, by politicians who claimed they were on the moral high ground about "security".
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