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GenrXr

is kerry a war hero or did he lie is topic.
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BenJaxBchFL · Seaman Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 198

I missed it. How did it go?
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GenrXr · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:57 am Post subject:

As long as every night there is something regarding swiftvets im happy! Seriously though, I unfortunately had a dramatic phone call and missed the whole damn thing.
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Support Our Troops! · Seaman Recruit Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 17

Featured a confused Lany Davis who thinks he can prove the Swiftees are lying by simply reasserting the conflicting statements from Rassman and Kerry himself.

Lily · Lieutenant Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 244

Great show, Pat Buchanan did a masterful job of exposing both Lanny Davis and John Kerry. Loved the part where Pat said to Lanny "if that's all you've got".The dems will have to come up with a better attack dog then Lanny who was forced to fall back on attacking Jerome Corsi. Pat just chuckled and said you're over the top with that one Lanny.

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coldwarvet · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:40 pm Post subject:

The no spin zone has spun out of control. I am finding myself watching as much CNBC as fox over the past few weeks.
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Scott · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:25 pm Post subject:

I think they're catching up. Carl Cameron did a great job on the "Christmas in Cambodia" story from the Grand Canyon campaign stop.
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somewhereinthemiddle · Seaman Recruit Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 9

this is all so sickening

i find it incensing that the question of where kerry was 40 years ago is overshadowing the fact that iraq is progressively getting worse and worse.

thats not to disrespect what the svft is doing, and i understand that it is happening because kerry made his service the centerpiece of his campaign, but jesus....

i'm sure some will disagree, but i see iraq going down the crapper faster than exlax, and i'm confused that the press would rather cover the presidential campaign than the very real political crisis in the country. if bush gets elected but then the interim government vaporizes in violence, what was the point?

You GottaBeKidding · Rear Admiral Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 692

somewhereinthemiddle,

This site is about Kerry, not about Bush, not about Iraq, not about anything else you mention. Stay on topic and you're welcome. Keep talking about everything else and the mods will show you the door or put you in the brig or do whatever it is they do to people who don't follow orders.

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somewhereinthemiddle · Seaman Recruit Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 9

I disagree strongly and absolutely with your opinion.

Think of it like this:
If, on a given day, there were three assassinations in Brooklyn, heavy small-arms fighting in the Bronx, and a car bomb in Queens, would you say that the city is in disarray or would you claim that everything is fine because Wall Street is open and a third-grade class on 42nd street got a 90 on their math exam? I don't see that logic. Despite all the bravery, resiliance, and ingenuity of our Marines and groundpounders, politicians such as Jerry Bremer have irreparably damaged the chances for ANY favorable outcome in Iraq. No serious observer of the war effort claims things are going well, conservative or liberal. This war is not about gaining or losing physical territory (which our warriors are tasked with), but gaining or losing political legitimacy and viability (which our politicians are tasked with).

We could just loop back and forth on this topic, but I've been informed that it's not appropriate for this board. I believe events will vindicate my position, and I'll let them speak for me in the next months. Or you could read "Imperial Hubris", a book that singlehandedly changed my opinion on the War on Terror.

Lily · Lieutenant Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 244

I find it interesting that people come here repeatedly to try to change the subject from Kerry to Bush. This site is about the fitness of John F. Kerry to be CIC not about President Bush.

I haven't read Imperial Hubris but I am familiar with the law enforcement approach to terrorism that was used by the Clinton Administration. That approach was used after the first WTC bombing in which six people died the result was 9/11 in which 3000 people died.The Clinton Administration also had four chances to capture or kill Osama Bin Laden and they did nothing.The reason given for not capturing or killing Bin Laden was legal concerns. Legal concerns about a man who had declared war on America. The law enforcement approach while effective against the Gotti crime family is not the answer to Islamofascists that is why I want no part of John Kerry or the democrats.

Scott · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:09 pm Post subject:

somewhereinthemiddle · Seaman Recruit Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 9

Imperial Hubris was not written by a democrat. It was written by a CIA agent who had previously written an authoritative expose of al-Qaeda. His central thesis is, among other things, that the US is losing the war on terror, that Kabul will fall within the next decade, and that labeling our values and not actions as the source of terrorist hatred clouds our judgement on their capabilities and intentions.

His solution? Bomb everybody over and over again. Doesn't sound too Democratic, but I think he's right.

The book is not partisan, and it changed how I saw this whole mess. He's as critical of Clinton as Bush.

Scott- I visit all those blogs frequently. I especially like the soldier who writes the third blog, his posts are easy to read. But I believe that A) those blogs are counterbalanced by a number of Arabic blogs that hold entirely different points of view (why would an average iraqi blog in english?) and B) they are coming from a tactical, not a strategic point of view. Further, I have a gut instinct that the first blog is less than independent. He displays the flag on his page that has been universally and categorically rejected by the Iraqi people, including the new government.