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Big Kahuna · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:45 pm Post subject: Where are these Veterans?

I see where the news reports that the majority of veterans now support John Kerry. I've not met any of them!

I can't believe that any vet would support someone who treats medals as Howdy Doodies, betrays his friends, meets (more than once) with the enemy, lies about his service, and votes against vets every time.

What am I missing?
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84rules · Ensign Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 53

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Not sure what you mean, BigKahuna.... all the polls I've seen lately show Kerry in damn near freefall among veterans and active duty. Question

Last numbers I saw 57 - 40/Bush
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Doc Jerry · Commander Joined: 28 May 2004 Posts: 339

I saw the same numbers 57-40 against Kerry just in the last 2 weeks. Those numbers will grow before this is all done. In most unscientific polls on vet sites, the numbers are 9-1 against Kerry.

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Theresa Alwood · Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:37 am Post subject:

I AM!!! I AM!!! GO BLUE!!!

But I don't live there. Joined the AF after graduation and only go "home" to visit family and friends...but I do have several friends in Michigan who I know are for Bush and against Kerry...and I continue to BOMBARD my family and friends who are not with anything I can get my hands on to help change their minds. I will up until November
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Traildust · Seaman Recruit Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 23

I work on a daily basis with active duty Navy and Marines and you would be surprised how many Navy guys supported Kerry until I got done relating a few facts to them. They change their minds very quickly once they see the light of truth. Very Happy

As for the Marines, I don't have to even bring it up. God Bless the Marine Corps! Very Happy

I am retired Navy and mean no disrespect to any of the other services but I think the Marines are our last true military service we have. These guys still operate with true military bearing and yes, RHIP is alive and well in the Marine Corps.
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Big Kahuna · Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:13 pm Post subject:

Dwight Callaway · Ensign Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 71 Location: Boise, ID.

The Vietnam Vets For Kerry run by John Hurley (supposedly) appears to be nothing but a shell organization. Google them and you get no site and only a few inconsequential hits. See the post about them on main board to hear Hurley's rap. It's called "CAMBODIA SWITCH". I think he's just a lawyer that Kerry hired to spin the media and voters - under a fake organization.

The pro-Kerry vets that I have heard on talk radio, tend to be really pathetic crybabies, VA queens who will vote for anybody who means more VA benefits for them. They are NOT voting on principles of honor. They are voting on motives of self gain. Those same motives are the reason that Kerry holds onto his loyal crewmembers, IMO.

Dwight
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Ordie_rat · Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 9:02 pm Post subject: Support Big Blue?

Paul

"I am retired Navy and mean no disrespect to any of the other services but I think the Marines are our last true military service we have. These guys still operate with true military bearing and yes, RHIP is alive and well in the Marine Corps. "

I realize that this is an aside issue in this string, but I have to agree with you in this. The Marine Corps continues to maintain the standard that Every Marine is a rifleman first and any other specialty second. It's been alone in resisting the worst of the post-93 social engineering focus of our armed forces both within the naval service in the Department of the Navy that it's part of, and the Departments of the AF and Army. It's the only branch that doesn't operate a co-ed boot camp with lowered standards.

The Army makes up for it with the combat brigades which are all-volunteer and where the previous training standards are maintained for those who volunteer to serve in them. After that, the Special Forces in the respective branches do the same.

All of the branches have been under pressure and effected in one way or another, including portions of the Marine Corps as well. And look at the state of our service academies with their new politically-correct focus. Given that the Naval Academy has traditionally provided so many Marine Corps officers, then it's only a matter of time if things remain as they are before the Marines are impacted even further.

Anyway, all these new "claw" and "tail" and different sets of training standards and emphasis, is one reason that I say that we now effectively have an Armed Forces that since 1993 has been "re-engineered" into being an Armed Forces with a smaller army inside an otherwise large job corps.

"I'm a soldier too" Jessica Lynch is an example of the bad consequences.

You're observing the "she's a sailor too" variety of bad consequences of the navy. It’s true throughout our social-engineering first and National Defense second focused armed forces. . .

Don't even get me started on the already too big and growing but post-93 explosion in size and influence of the civilian Dept of the Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon.

For what it's worth, I’m not surprised at what you describe. I didn't make it a career, but I was a squid too. And now I"m complimenting the Jarheads! But, hey, credit where credit is due.
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Paul · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:52 am Post subject: Vets. . .

I run into veterans who support Kerry for President, including some Vietnam vets. But I live in a traditionally heavy democratic area. Obviously, being Texas, there's a lot of strong Bush supporters here also and plenty of Veterans, including Vietnam vets who support President Bush.

Given my views of John Kerry's miserable actions and sorry history, and my criticisms of the neo-cons, the handling of the so-called GWAT, the President's and Republican Leadership's actions and inactions on economic, immigration and some other issues, and what I believe their bad consequences are, then it probably won't come as a surprise that I find myself going through discussions with friends and acquaintenances pretty regularly these days. . .

Oh well, just call me a fringe fanatic or something Smile

My friends don't but others might. The only reason that they probably don't is that I've already pointed out to them that it's not me that's changed on much of this! If I'm a fringe fanatic then so were even some of their own late parents not more then ten to twenty years ago. It's our culture that's made the shift and now calls what was once "radical" "moderate", not me. That or maybe their only holding back because we're friends . . . Smile

I don't know what the national standing is at the moment. James Webb did an editorial on precisely the issue of Veterans and Kerry and Veterans and Bush back in February that I thought included some good thoughts:

http://www.jameswebb.com/articles/variouspubs/usatoday.htm

After the last four decades or so, and with most of the members of the generations of pre-Boomer generations now gone, and in an election that I don't see as much of a choice on many important issues, and with all of the polemic flying, then I'm not surprised there may be blocks of veterans who support John Kerry.

At the same time, I've pointed out to friends who are vets and union members, that I don't see a concrete action from Kerry's record from either perspective they can use to argue for him. But for my Bush backing conservative pals of various kinds there's the frustration that the President hasn't given much by way of concrete actions for conservatives to cite to support him with either. What an election. . .
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