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Me#1You#10
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 Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: "John Kerry Laments Loss of Pro-Life Voters..." |
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Can "Practicing Catholics for Truth" be in the offing? Kerry's moral relativism, self-serving and perverted views of Catholic doctrine bear a remarkable resemblance in kind to the lies and fraudulent misrepresentations that mark his Vietnam years and leftist ideology...
| Quote: | | Quote: | | "In his attempt to articulate his 'Catholic' position on abortion Kerry avoided any mention of Catholic doctrine, papal teaching, the Church Fathers or the Magisterium. The Senator's personalized 'Vatican II' religion seemed most characterized by his reference to 'your value system', 'your beliefs'." |
John Kerry Laments Loss of Pro-Life Voters in '04 Campaign But Still Pro-Abortion
Still doesn't get that Catholic and pro-abortion are contradiction
By Matthew Cullinan Hoffman
LifeSiteNews.com
Wednesday November 7, 2007
WASHINGTON, November 7, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - John Kerry lamented the fact that he lost the pro-life vote in the 2004 US presidential elections during a talk given at the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life yesterday. The Catholic, former Democratic presidential candidate still did not, however, express any regrets about his pro-abortion position.
Kerry stated that he wished he had talked more about his personal view of what constitutes "Catholicism" earlier in the campaign, rather than waiting until the last three weeks.
The Senator acknowledged that the decision by four Catholic bishops to denounce him publicly and to deny him communion based on his pro-abortion stance had cost him dearly, and said that he "probably" should have done more to respond.
"President Kennedy's challenge was to prove that he was not so Catholic that he could be president. My challenge was to prove that I was Catholic enough that I could be president," he told the audience.
Reflecting an ongoing failure of most US bishops to adequately communicate Church teaching on the issue, Kerry also claimed that the position of the four Catholic bishops was somehow "not a church position. And what we didn't do was make ... sure the Catholic position was in front of people as much as it should be."
In his attempt to articulate his "Catholic" position on abortion Kerry avoided any mention of Catholic doctrine, papal teaching, the Church Fathers or the Magisterium. The Senator's personalized "Vatican II" religion seemed most characterized by his reference to "your value system", "your beliefs".
The prominent Democrat may have had his views reinforced by other prominent Democrat pro-abortion Catholics such as Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi and the now-deceased and very influential Jesuit Fr. Robert Drinan, none of whom have been seriously taken to task by local bishops.
The obligation to refuse to give communion to pro-abortion politicians has been reiterated recently by Pope Benedict XVI, who told the press earlier this year that in threatening to excommunicate such politicians the bishops of Mexico "did nothing new, surprising or arbitrary. They simply announced publicly what is contained in the law of the Church . . . which expresses our appreciation for life and that human individuality, human personality is present from the first moment" (see complete story at http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/may/07050901.html).
The former presidential candidate also employed two standard tactics used by pro-abortion politicians seeking to minimize the political damage caused by their position.
The first is to claim that they are really "against abortion" and want to "reduce the number of abortions" while simultaneously opposing any effort to criminalize it. The second is to call for "common ground" with their opponents. This approach has been used by Bill Clinton, Republican pro-abortion candidate Rudy Giuliani, and even Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, the president-elect of Argentina.
"I think we have been guilty in the [Democratic] Party at times" of being pro-choice "without honoring the deeply held beliefs" of pro-lifers, said Kerry. "There are 1.3 million abortions in this country, and I don't think anybody would disagree that that is too many."
Kerry added that he thinks abortion should be "rare" and that he believes "very deeply that it's not a contradiction to be pro-choice and against abortion." He called on candidates to determine "how to use religion not as a weapon, but to use it to find common ground."
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kate
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | .......stance had cost him dearly, and said that he "probably" should have done more to respond.
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Kerry also claimed that the position of the four Catholic bishops was somehow "not a church position"
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he just said the other day that he should have responded more to the Swifts, and now it's the Catholic Bishops?? What an incredulous ego
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:26 am Post subject: |
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I give up. What in the heck is he trying to say here:
| Quote: | | Reflecting an ongoing failure of most US bishops to adequately communicate Church teaching on the issue, Kerry also claimed that the position of the four Catholic bishops was somehow "not a church position. And what we didn't do was make ... sure the Catholic position was in front of people as much as it should be." |
That kinda sounds like Hillary's answer to the driver's license question for illegal immigrants.... |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| Tell the truth... Would you honestly be surprised if he showed up at the Vatican in a gussied-up golf cart made to look something like the Pope-mobile and announced he was "reporting for duty"? |
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| "Catholic Bishops for Truth" has a nice ring to it as well. |
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| Me#1You#10 wrote: | | "Catholic Bishops for Truth" has a nice ring to it as well. |
Good one.
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Thank heaven , Commie Johnnie did not make President !!!! it takes him a long time to repond to an issue !!!
Years even, not counting the flip flops !!!
and to think of it, after all the rethoric is said & done He still has not answered the charges. just prepared to answer the charges..lol
so he says !!!
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I can't wait for the Kerry hit squad to start declaring that the Catholic Bishops are all Liars and Frauds  
That should go over real well  
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: |
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Hahaha!
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| LewWaters wrote: | I can't wait for the Kerry hit squad to start declaring that the Catholic Bishops are all Liars and Frauds
That should go over real well |
That's pretty much what he did in this line.
| Quote: | | Reflecting an ongoing failure of most US bishops to adequately communicate Church teaching on the issue, Kerry also claimed that the position of the four Catholic bishops was somehow "not a church position. And what we didn't do was make ... sure the Catholic position was in front of people as much as it should be." |
And then espoused that HE is the person to define the Catholic Church"s position on the matter.
Maybe he should go have a conversation with the Pope and line him out.
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