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oflyboy · Seaman Recruit Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 10

What's the deal with Kerry not releasing his records. From what I understand, he refuses to sign a DOD Form 180. I have been retired 22 years and don't know what a Form 180 is. I assume it is a form that gives the DOD permission to release records under the freedom of information act.

What am I missing here by thinking that if Kerry were to sign the 180, it would put to rest a lot of the allegations concerning the award of his medals. It seems to me that he medical and personnel records would reflect all the pertinent information concerning his wounds, who wrote the medal citations and etc.

As long as he refuses to release the records, it will look as though he has something to hide.

Anyway, maybe someone can enlighen me as to what's the whole story is about releasing the records.

BTW, I don't care what the records show, his testimony to the Senate in 1971 and throwing away his medals/ribbons was enough for me to despise him.

Redview · Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:38 pm Post subject:

Couldn't agree with you more.

Your going to see a lot of signs in DC with the words

John: 180 on them. Thats for sure.

teach-u · Seaman Recruit Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 14

I agree this clearly indicates he is hiding something, but just looking at the records he has already released is damning enough and in some cases conclusive proof that his awards were fraudulent (the excruciating details are in other posts on this site) My only concern is how the media will spin the 180 if Kerry' signs it and we are back to he-said she-said with the public. I don't know what's in his file but this case in my opinion does not rely on it.
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wpage · Lieutenant Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 213

There are questions being raised as to three (3) different versions of his Silver Star. Please see the below thread:

http://www.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3360&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
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Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

I am not knowledgeable about the method for having a citation rewritten, but I'm sure it's in the BUPERSMAN - which I think is on line.

There are three different versions of his Silver Star and two different versions of his Bronze.

baldeagl, where are you? I think baldeagl has laid out a pretty complete timeline on this.
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baldeagl · PO3 Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 260 Location: Texas

SwanLady · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 95

Here's the form in question:

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/i133213_122368/i133213p.pdf

It replaced the DD 1108

PO2 · Ensign Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 67 Location: TX USA

The SF-180 (Standard Form - 180) is a request by a former military member to provide copies of all personal records. It is not a blanket form for all records held by the Military. It is not a form for giving permission to respond to an FOIA request from anyone. An FOIA request is limited in scope under the law. Individual personnel records are exempt from examination by anyone other than the individual personnaly or those designated in writing as representing the veteran (usually an attorney or NOK). The common exemption to this is the portion of the law which transferes personnel records of commissioned officers to the national archives at a stated point in years. At that time, the records are made public records and open for examination.
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kate · Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:12 am Post subject:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14774

Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer..grreat column today
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An Army officer formerly in the Pentagon’s “awards and decorations” hierarchy for many years, explains the amendment process for military citations this way:
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The bandit · Commander Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 349

AN1MA1 · Seaman Recruit Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 1

DOES ANYONE ELSE BUT ME WONDER HOW IN FOUR MONTHS YOU GET HIT 3 TIMES,SIGN YOUR OWN COMBAT ACTION REPORT'S,AND GET TO COME HOME. EVERYONE I SERVED WITH HAD TO BE REMOVED FROM THE FIELD ON A STRETCHER BEFORE THEY CONSIDERED THEMSELVES TO BE "WOUNDED". I DON'T THINK I WOULD HAVE WANTED TO SERVE WITH A SISSY,OR SOMEONE WHO WOULD HAVE EVEN CONSIDERED ACCEPTING A PURPLEHEART UNDER THE CONDITIONS THAT THIS CLOWN DID! I STILL SEE TOO MANY OF MY PARTNERS THAT WERE BLEEDING BAD ENOUGH TO BE EVAC'ED BUT WOULD NOT LEAVE THEIR BROTHER'S BEHIND. I'M MISSING 46% OF MY LEFT HAMSTRING BUT I DIDN'T GET TO FILL OUT MY ACTION REPORT. HOW DO YOU GET TO DO THAT? PLUS,HE THREW HIS MEDALS AWAY....HE DOESN'T DESERVE TO HAVE THEM RECORDED. SOMEONE NEEDS TO TELL "HANOI JOHN" TO JOIN "HANOI JANE" AND SIT DOWN-SHUT-UP AND DROP OUT OF THIS ONE. THIS IS ONE WAR THAT HE WON'T GET TO FILL OUT HIS OWN C.A.R.'S IT SCARES ME TO THINK OF THIS IDIOT AS BEING OUR C-I-C. Exclamation