SwiftVets.com

[baldeagl]

I just found out, by reading Instapundit that Senator Tom Harken from Iowa has lied about his service, claiming he flew jets in Vietnam when he did not.

When this election is over, we should start a project to document the service of every politician who claims to have served in Vietnam. I didn't serve in Vietnam, but then I've never claimed to either. I did lose friends and my cousin Donald (Army) over there, and it royally pisses me off to find that politicians will so freely prempt the blood and sacrifice of my brothers. I mean I am keel-haulin', tail-draggin pissed off!

Matter of fact, I'm just about pissed off enough to start a website just to document this and make it public knowledge for anyone who wants to know.
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antimedia
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http://antimedia.blogspot.com/

[jwb7605]

[4moreyears]

The best way to get even is for all of us to claim that we're politicians.
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kerry returned to the United States on July 22, 1971, held a press conference publicly calling on President Nixon... for the surrender of the United States to North Vietnam.

[baldeagl]

Sorry 4moreyears, I'm not willing to stoop that low.

I've been thinking about this website idea. Here's what I have in mind.

The United States Veterans Wall of Shame

Mission statement: Serving in the military, even as a cook stateside never seeing combat, is an honorable profession. No one who serves honorably, be it through the ultimate sacrifice or in the simplest and most humble work, should ever have their good name besmirched by those who seek to glorify themselves by claiming feats which they have not accomplished, medals they have not received or titles they have not earned.

The purpose of this site is to expose all those who belittle the service of those of us who served honorably. Anyone listed here will have been thoroughly documented - both their claims and the verifiable record that refutes those claims - for all to see so that true veterans of our great nation can take pride in what they have done and not have their sacrifice lessened by dishonest men and women.
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antimedia
USN OST-6 68-74
http://antimedia.blogspot.com/

[LewWaters]

Harkin was a pilot, but he didn't fly combat missions. Best I can tell, he ferried jets to and from Japan to mainteneace facilities. As such, he might have made a trip or two to Vietnam, but not as a combat pilot.

He was called on this a few years ago and changed his status from Vietnam Veteran to Vietnam Era Veteran.

What with how the many Democrats treated the war and returning veterans over 30 years ago, I chuckle seeing them all trying to embrace it today.
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[ghiapaul]

Isn't there a website out there similar to what you want to do that checks out all the people who claim to be Navy Seals? Seem there were so many more people claiming to be Seals than were trained, that this guy started this site to out all the phonies. I seem to recall reading that he has outed quite a few prominent people. Your idea to check out every politician is good.

paul

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

Yes, there are numerous poser-exposer sites out there, especially for Special Forces.
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[DrEntropy]

Navy_Navy_Navy wrote:

[Knighthawk]

Check these out. They are dedicated to finding "Fake SEALS", but they are a good place to start. Hope these help.

http://www.authentiseal.org/

http://www.nightscribe.com/Military/SEALs/wannabe_seals.htm

http://www.veriseal.org
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Beware of the lollipop of mediocrity! Lick it once and you'll suck forever.

If guns kill people, then I can blame misspelled words on my pencil.

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[jwb7605]

[DrEntropy]

JWB7605 wrote:

[Mark]

Just for information, Harkin's embellishment of his "Vietnam service" was documented in "Stolen Valor" (Burkett), which I recommend to all. I don't recall if Burkett took on Kerry.
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[Hueygunner]

More than a few of my friends lost their lives in Vietnam fighting for the honor of our country because they loved America. They were not members of the Navy Seals or the Special Forces. They were just regular guys who wanted to live in order to go back to "The World" and return to civilian life. They told us stories about their girlfriends and their muscle cars after the day was finished. These were ordinary guys doing extraordinary things. I recall one Loach "gorilla" swooping down into a village, presenting himself to the enemy as a target, and finally drawing fire from them. The Huey Cobras, flying high overhead, took over the battle once the enemy showed themselves. The Loach pilot was absolutely fearless; I couldn't believe it. (My pilots called the Loach pilots "gorillas" because the dudes were used to flying without hydraulic-assisted controls; when they got in a Huey, they were dangerous.)

[SOFMan]

Amen bruthuh! Ain't it amazing.

Holy cow, if the liberals thought military combat experience was "the" qualification for military Serice, Bush1 and Bob Dole should have been elected by landslides.

Would be nice to get to the ground truth on Harkin.

[stop kerry]

It apears that a lot of democrats have claimed they were 'war heroes' wthat were complete lies see below article it's great


Ballad Of The French Berets
August 18, 2004 by Ann Coulter:

There ought to be a special word -- something German -- to describe the feeling of revulsion normal people experience when reading lines like these from a single article on John Kerry

-- "Kerry's complexity has been an issue since his national debut in 1971."
-- "Kerry likes to quote the French writer Andre Gide: 'Don't try to understand me too quickly.'"
-- "His friend Dan Barbiero said it comes down to Kerry's complexity
Apparently, Kerry's answers on the LSAT were too nuanced and complex for the Harvard Law School admissions committee: Despite all his connections, fancy education and war-protesting, Kerry couldn't get into Harvard Law School and went to Boston College Law School instead. Wait -- didn't Kerry throw that famous, game-winning "Hail Mary" pass while playing quarterback for Boston College back in the '80s? Or am I thinking of somebody else? Let's ask Doug Brinkley!)

-- "Flying to his next campaign stop, he chatted about maneuvers to avoid flak in combat."
-- "This was Primal John ... who ran with the bulls at Pamplona and, when trampled, got up, chased the bull, and grabbed for its horns."

(I'm almost sure this was a polite reference to John and Teresa's honeymoon night.)

The problem with a suck-up press for Democrats is that with no adversary press to call them on it, Democrats develop wilder and wilder Walter Mitty fantasy lives until finally one day, when they are at the zenith of their political careers, someone notices that they're not Irish, they didn't deserve their war medals, 254 Swift Boat veterans hate them, and they didn't spend Christmas Eve, 1968, in Cambodia. (Or that they are white-trash serial molesters and unrepentant rapists who somehow talked their way into an Arkansas governorship.)

The Boston Globe biography of Kerry published earlier this year compliantly repeats Kerry's yarn about how he spent Christmas 1968 in Cambodia "despite President Nixon's assurances that there was no combat action in this neutral territory and Johnson was president at the time not Nixon!!!!!!!"

Only recently did someone point out: (1) Kerry was 55 miles away from the Cambodian border on Christmas 1968 and (2) Nixon wasn't president in 1968. None of his ship mates will back him up either (How did "historian" Doug Brinkley miss that in his biography of Kerry?)

The media will spend weeks going through pay stubs for Bush's National Guard service in Alabama in the waning days of war, but if Kerry tells them exotic tales of covert missions into Cambodia directed by Richard Nixon, they don't even bother to fact-check who was president in December 1968.

Democrat Senator Tom Harkin, Crazed Moron, was shouting this week that Dick Cheney is a "coward," evidently for not fighting in Vietnam like Harkin. Except Harkin didn't fight in Vietnam either! The last time Harkin was bragging about his Vietnam service was in 1984 when he told David Broder of The Washington Post: "I spent five years as a Navy pilot, starting in November of 1962. One year was in Vietnam. I was flying F-4s and F-8s on combat air patrols and photo-reconnaissance support missions."

Sen. Barry Goldwater -- not the Post -- checked with the Defense Department and soon Harkin was forced to admit he had never been in combat in Vietnam, but was based in Japan during the war, ferrying damaged planes from the Saigon airport to Japan for repairs. Oops!

Then there was Al Gore who, like Kerry, was in Vietnam just long enough to get photos for his future political campaigns. (Apparently all future Democratic politicians take cameras to war zones.)

Gore enlisted in the Army in 1970 in a calculated gambit to help his senator dad in an election year. Young Al was given a cushy job writing for the Stars and Stripes newspaper, a bodyguard, and an exit strategy when Pops lost the election. After five months of this hygienic tour of duty, Little Lord Fauntleroy asked to come home, and before long he was safe and sound and preparing to flunk out of divinity school and then drop out of law school.

But over the next 30 years, Gore provided the media with increasingly macho reminiscences of his combat experiences in Vietnam -- almost as vivid and stirring as the impassioned account he gave of being a tobacco farmer.

-- "I pulled my turn on the perimeter at night and walked through the elephant grass and I was fired upon." (The Baltimore Sun)

-- "I took my turn regularly on the perimeter in these little firebases out in the boonies. Something would move, we'd fire first and ask questions later." (Vanity Fair)

-- "I was shot at. I spent most of my time in the field." (The Washington Post)
I think someone needs to explain to the Democrats that having your picture taken is not what most veterans mean by "being shot at."

During World War II, then-congressman Lyndon Johnson went on a single flight -- as an observer -- for which he was awarded the Silver Star by Gen. Douglas MacArthur. Only recently has it been exposed that the medal was a complete fraud, probably awarded by MacArthur to curry favor with a congressman.

At the time, no one in the press bothered to investigate why Johnson was the only member of the crew to receive any sort of decoration for the 13-minute flight that never came under enemy fire -- and on which Johnson was merely an "observer." For the rest of his life Johnson got away with wearing what historian David Halberstam called "the least deserved and most proudly displayed Silver Star in military history."

Johnson told harrowing tales of his uneventful 13-minute flight, boasting that the men had called him "Raider Johnson." One time he harangued a congressman on foreign aid, saying: "I know foreign aid is unpopular, but I didn't want to go to the Pacific in '41 after Pearl Harbor, but I did. I didn't want to let those Japs shoot at me ... but I did."

The sole surviving member of the crew, Ret. Staff Sgt. Bob Marshall, U.S. Army, a gunner on the plane, disputed Johnson's story about being attacked by Japanese Zeros: "No way. No, that story was made up ... we had never seen a Zero. It was never attacked. There was nothing."

If only talk radio and cable TV had been around in the '60s, we'd be able to hear James Carville call Bob Marshall a liar and watch the Democratic National Committee threaten to sue any TV station that aired his story.