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Polaris · Rear Admiral Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 626

Everyone,

I was blogging at www.qando.net/blog and I found this source document:

www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Command_History_chronology.pdf

Go to page 8 and pay close attention to what it says.

It says that the swiftboats on a SEALORDS operation went up the Hap River, and dropped off troops and destroyed supplies. It notes that PCF-3 was hit by a mine and that there was small arms fire during the operation. If you are military and you read the command log, it is pretty darn clear that the group was not under fire during the Hap Canal incident itself...and it also explains how Thurlow's boat got those three bullets.

See for yourselves and see what you think. [I can't believe Kerry has this on his site.]
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hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

You grabbed a copy of it yes?

LewWaters · Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:42 am Post subject:

Another thing I notice, PCF-94 doesn't seem to be included in very many missions. Wonder why it wasn't as active, considering it received more medals than all the rest? Confused

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baldeagl · PO3 Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 260 Location: Texas

Trust me - nothing of any significance on a pro-Kerry site has not been archived in numerous places. Even David Alston's injury report, which was pulled from the site a while ago, exists in several places on the Internet. We may be red-neck poh fohk, but we're smart enough to spot a snake early on.
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Polaris · Rear Admiral Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 626

I just grabbed a copy in case we need it later. Lew, you make an excellent point. I noticed the same thing. I could be because he wasn't involved in those actions, i.e. an innocent explaination. I think, however, a more likely explaination is that the rest of the squadron considered him a loose cannon and didn't want him on combat ops.

I will analyze the document and get a boat by boat breakdown.
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LewWaters · Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:04 am Post subject:

My point was, since he was so heroic and almost won the war single handed all by himself, shouldn't his boat have been more involved in combat ops? Seems to me, by the listing in the reports, his was about the least used and yet, he got the most medals.

Doesn't add up.
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Polaris · Rear Admiral Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 626

LewWaters,

I was doing some preliminary counting, and I think you are right. Don't want to say much more than that, however, because it is not necessarily conclusive on it's own. That said, I find his mission to medal ratio very suspicious.
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SF · Seaman Recruit Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 23

Aren't there pages missing, though? And Kerry was on 44 till end of January, if I recall correctly.
Also, since the command history isn't particular to any one individual, couldn't somebody get the document including missing page or pages independently from wherever these things are kept? I.E., surely no form 180 would be needed.
I read the blog post at QandO after Captain Ed referenced it. Outstanding!
I hope The Times writers and the public editor are notified. Also notify TimesWatch.org. Ditto tell WaPo and Chi Trib!!

JimRobson · Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:19 am Post subject:

Guys... don't forget... The boy was on a lot of "SECRET" missions. Wink

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jataylor11 · Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:54 pm Post subject:

You vets that can read military reports need to prepare a tutorial (see Navy Chief's analysis of the after action report on this forum) that teaches the rest of us and the liberal socialist, militarily inept(antagonist) MSM how to read these reports ----

My suggestion --- an line by line translation -- I know it is time intensive --- but it is the only way to counter the attack that the Navy documents support Kerry --- You need to show how the "Navy documents" were written by Kerry so of course they would support him.

Navymomx2 · Lt.Jg. Joined: 11 May 2004 Posts: 149 Location: Washington

I too saved a copy. Actually I think I have saved every Service Record item from the Kerry website.

SF

I'm not sure if pages are missing other than it cuts off at May. I can say who ever did the scan and placed the pages in pdf did a bad job since bottoms of the pages are cut off, you can see paragraphs continuing but being cut off.

I just noticed something going from the 13 Mar 69 date through May. Some of entries didn't include PCF #'s but, since the 13 March date, the 94 was out on 18 Mar, 19 Mar, 20 Mar, 23 Mar & 1 May.

No where does it show the 3 coming back out since the mine explosion

Looks like the 94 had a speedy recovery just like JFK and his wounds.

SF · Seaman Recruit Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 23

There is definitely a page missing between March 8 (page breaks in mid-sentence) and March 13. Notably, this would include the March 12 activity, when Thurlow (I think) says his boat got its bullet holes. The missing page could be pretty telling.

flushthejohns · Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:51 pm Post subject:

If anyone needs another copy after this disappears from Kerry's site, go to: http://www.stopkerrynow.com/kerry_command_history/Command_History_chronology.pdf

It's up there and will stay there! Wink

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good_show · Seaman Recruit Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 20

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it Kerry's contention that his boat hit a mine thus throwing Rassman into the water? If so, why does this official report not make mention of it? It certainly made mention of boat 3 hitting the mine.
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Polaris · Rear Admiral Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 626

good_show,

You are absolutely right. This is why this report is NEARLY a smoking gun against Kerry. It was plainly not written by Kerry and it does not support his after action (spot) report.
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