SwiftVets.com

kman · Last edited by kman on Sat Sep 04, 2004 9:56 pm; edited 1 time in total

Hey there:

My liberal friend keeps beating me over the head with this graphic that seems to indicate The Poodle requested Vietnam service whereas Bush2 did not. It’s like his last bit of “evidence” that Kerry is a hero. I’d like to shove it down his throat, but I don’t know how.

Are these even legit?

Thanks, and God Bless swifties, Floridians, and especially Floridian swifties.

Kurt

LewWaters · Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 9:56 pm Post subject:

Kurt, that's too easy Laughing

"The first trip to Vietnam did give me a heightened curiosity by virtue of
having been so near and having been part of of the support operation.
But volunteering for the Swift boats had nothing to do with my curiosity
about the war. They attracted me because it was the one thing you could
do as a junior officer and have your own command. In fact, when I
signed up for the Swift boats they had very little to do with the war. They
were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I was going
to be doing. Although I wanted to go back and see for myself what was
going on, I didn't really want to get involved on the war." (John Kerry)

The Vietnam Experience-A War Remembered, 1986 Boston Publishing

Also referenced here;

"I didn't have any real feel for what the heck was going on [in the war]," Kerry has recalled.

"I didn't really want to get involved in the war," Kerry said in a little-noticed contribution to a book of Vietnam reminiscences published in 1986. "When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I was going to be doing."

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061603.shtml
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kurtsprincess · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Posts: 80

Why bother...........there is enough evidence to support who is fit to command and who isn't, without this item.
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Chuck54 · PO1 Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 466

The graphic is manufactured BS.....demand to know the source of the docs...my bet is they don't exist.

Bush did request to go but was denied because he did not have sufficient flight hours. Research this site and you will find posts stating that. Tell you lib friend....watch as they change their vote before your eyes because they have seen the truth... Rolling Eyes

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Mooncusser · Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 9:57 pm Post subject:

Excuse me Kman...not to put down your friend, but if he considers this as evidence, he must not be the sharpest tack.

You are probably wasting your time with him.
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ccr · Commander Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 325

Here is my response:

Kerry not only asked to go to Vietnam. He also went to Paris, on TV and in front of the Senate in order to help our enemy -- while our troops were still under fire and being held in POW camps.

That is far worse than Bush checking the "Do not volunteer for oversees" box (however, there is evidence he did so later).

Bush may not have gotten on the field of battle, but Kerry proved to be one of the best resources our enemy had.
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Billman · Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:10 pm Post subject:

Kman,

I can't speak for the Bush graphic but the Kerry document is legit, and available in full on his website. What your friend is missing is that Kerry wrote this letter while already on active duty on the USS Gridley.

That is, AFTER he applied for a student deferment to study in Paris; AFTER the deferment was denied; AFTER he then enlisted in the U.S. Naval Reserve (inactive status); and AFTER he was called up to active duty nearly a year later. See this article.

In addition, he admits in his biography and elsewhere that he volunteered for Swift Boats because at the time, they did only coastal patrols and saw little combat. He writes in his journals of his unhappiness when the Swifts were subsequently redeployed to the dangerous "brownwater" (river) duty. This is covered in more detail in Unfit for Command.
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Mooncusser · Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:26 pm Post subject:

I am not saying this is a bogus document...it does not appear to be an official navy document. I would not consider either document evidence of anything.

There are official forms for requesting transfers.

I personally don't care if he volunteered or not..what does that have to do with being president?

I do know that he illegally met with the enemy and discussed surrender terms for the U.S.

That he lied about American soldiers and he sided with the enemy.

If his commander were George Washington or U.S. Grant we would not be having this discussion.
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neverforget · Vice Admiral Joined: 18 Jul 2004 Posts: 875

I think it is interesting that the supposed Bush document is not whole; for one thing it does not show either the date or his signature. Another is that the F-102 was being taken out of service and then Lt. bush would have had to been re-trained in another aircraft. So, any call-up to duty would have required an extremely long commitment. As for overseas duty, the United States had withdrawn a high number of forces from Viet Nam.

Nathanyl · PO3 Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 280

The docs are on a few sites. USA today has all of GW's docs in pdf format and we all know where Kerry's are at. Both are legit. Smile

Personally what I'd do is tell them that nobody is arguing the point that Kerry went to Vietnam and Bush didn't including Bush, then show them a picture of the cover of The New Soldier and it's upside down flag.

integritycounts · Rear Admiral Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 667

This is meaningless and has NOTHING to do with the mission of Swift-vets.

Swift-vets are talking ONLY about what Kerry did in his service. Swift-vets are not here it a tit-for-tat comparison between Bush and Kerry.

Swift-vets are not commentators on Bush.

Swift-Vets are speaking to what they know...what they saw....what they understand about Kerry.

Any facts or supposed facts about Bush have nothing to do with Swift-Vets.

Kerry needs to speak for himself, to address what he did, and nothing Bush has done, has anything to do with it.

Mooncusser · Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:00 pm Post subject:

Good idea Nathanyl....I have been suckered into 3rd grade playground crap...."my Dad can whip your Dad" stuff.

This is irrelevant. I'm an idiot! Laughing

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Mooncusser · Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:02 pm Post subject:

integritycounts

I wish I had said that.
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