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SBVTSupporter · Last edited by SBVTSupporter on Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:30 am; edited 1 time in total

Some very good stuff being discussed right now. Pat Buchannan was right on the money. He body slammed Joe Klein. He said he has read the book several times and that the SBVT have compelling evidence that John Kerry has been caught in at least one definite lie, Christmas in Cambodia. He also said there are several other credible claims made by SBVT that look to be truthful. IMO, Pat gave the best analysis on the matter to date. In the end even Joe Klein gave him a nod of agreement as to Kerry not standing behind his Congessional testimony making him look like a liar.

I'm waiting for someone like Pat to say the reason Kerry can't defend himself is that it will bring an overwhelming demand for him to sign Form 180 to back up his claims. Kerry can't allow that to happen under any circumstances. If he does that, losing the election will be the least of his problems.

I'm sure the show will play again tomorrow.

Beatrice1000 · Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:19 am Post subject:

Joe Klein (time magazine) defending kerry's testimony- said he himself had interviewed vets that committed atrocities (mentioned the stories of two marines) and that kerry had a right to talk about it -- Pat Buchanan discussing effect of Senate testimony....

(I only caught the end of this)

Dragoro · Lt.Jg. Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 122 Location: Michigan

a right to talk about false testimonies? Well, I guess if Kerry feels its ok to lie, he wouldnt have a problem with other people that lie.
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SBVTSupporter · Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:37 am Post subject:

One other thing I forgot to mention was that Pat said every time the SBVT claims are discussed on MSNBC their ratings are higher than they have been in years. What a delimma for Chris Mathews. The one topic that gives him good rating makes his candidate of choice drop further in the polls. No wonder Chris is in the middle of a personal meltdown. Smile

Navy wife · Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 2:38 am Post subject:

But, did you notice how Joe Klein laughed when Buchanan tried to defend the Swift Boats? That made me so angry.

producehawk · PO1 Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 463

I hated Pat when he ran for President. I thought he was a loone. Now I think he was a visionary.

mtpNY · Seaman Recruit Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 40

Pat just needed a better comeback for the [paraphrasing] "O'Neill said he was Cambodia, just like Kerry" charge. I've seen this used a lot to try and cancel out Kerry's Cambodia lie. It's quite effective when it's unchallenged, like it was today.
Other than that, Pat put on a superb defense.

SBVTSupporter · Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 3:00 am Post subject:

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baldeagl · PO3 Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 260 Location: Texas

There is no comparison between what John O'Neill said about "being" in Cambodia and what Kerry said. If you want to take O'Neill's comments as meaning he was actually in Vietnam, that still doesn't compare to Kerry's claim that he was in Cambodia under orders on a covert mission. There is a world of difference between patrolling the border and setting foot on the Cambodian side and penetrating five miles across the board under orders on a secret mission.

Don't lose sight of that. That's just what the media wants you to do.
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SBVTSupporter · Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:03 am Post subject:

d19thdoc · Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:36 am Post subject:

THE ISSUE IS that Kerry was never in Cambodia, because none of the Swift Boats were ever in Cambodia up to the time Kerry left Vietnam. It is completely beside the point if John O'Neill took a Swift Boat all the way to India through Cambodia LATER. It would also be completely beside the point if every Swift Boat in Southeast Asia docked at Phnom Pehn and stayed there for the rest of the war AFTER Kerry left Vietnam. Jeeezzz!
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Wolfgang · Ensign Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 61

O'Neill misspoke in a very casual conversation, a misstatement he immediately corrected in the same sentence, basically (if one allows a semicolon). It would only affect his credibility if it were a genuine assertion, rather than an immedialte corrected mistatement.

It also has nothing to do with Kerry's claims, since Kerry isn't claiming that O'Neill was in Cambodia, but that he himself was. And this was not a slip of the tongue or misstatement, since it was repeated often in speech and in print.

This reminds me so much of the "Bush said we can't win" pseudo-flip-flop: the reckless and dishonest portions of the left are desperate to get people to confuse simply misstatements with flip-flops, because that way everyone is a flip-flopper because everyone makes verbal mistakes.

MassInd · Seaman Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 157

Buchanan did mention that Kerry will not sign SF 180. What were Russert's and Klein's comeback?

Nothing! Not a word! There is no comeback. I think this has got to be the focus. It shuts up the Lefty talking heads and makes people wonder why he won't sign the damn form.

I think an ad should focus solely on SF 180. Right now the talk about SBVT is the impact it's had,whether it's fair, blah, blah, blah.
No looking at the facts. No investigation.

One other note, when Pat said Vietnam was a noble cause, Klein laughed. Evil or Very Mad

. He said it was abut the unification of Vietnam, not the fight against communism.