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Navy Contradicts Kerry on Release of Military Records

 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:43 pm    Post subject: Navy Contradicts Kerry on Release of Military Records Reply with quote

Navy Contradicts Kerry on Release of Military Records
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
September 16, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - The U.S. Navy released documents Wednesday contradicting claims by Democratic Presidential candidate John Kerry that all of his available military records have been released.

The Navy, responding to a Freedom of Information Act request from the legal watchdog group Judicial Watch, also referred interested parties to Kerry's campaign web site for government military documents.

Navy Personnel Command FOIA Officer Dave German wrote in an e-mail to Judicial Watch that the Navy "withheld thirty-one pages of documents from the responsive military personnel service records as we were not provided a release authorization."

A "release authorization" would have to come from Kerry filling out and signing a Standard Form 180, something he has yet to do. A Standard Form 180 would authorize the complete release of all his military records. Judicial Watch filed Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests in August to obtain Kerry's military records.

The official U.S. Navy response was received http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/navykerryresponse.pdf
by Judicial Watch on Wednesday, the same day that Kerry told syndicated radio and MSNBC TV host Don Imus that "We've posted my military records that they sent to me, or were posted on my website. You can go to my website, and all my -- you know, the documents are there."

When Imus pressed Kerry as to whether all of his documents were in fact included on the campaign website, Kerry responded, "To the best of my knowledge. I think some of the medical stuff may still be out there. We're trying to get it. "We released everything that they (the Navy) initially sent me," he added.

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said the Navy's correspondence confirms that Kerry has not been forthright in releasing his military files.

"It's written confirmation from the U.S. Navy that there are additional documents from Kerry's service record that have yet to be made publicly available," Fitton told CNSNews.com.

Fitton called the Kerry campaign's contention that all of the candidate's military files have been released, "wrong."
"They (the Kerry campaign) are either ignorant or misleading us. The simple solution is to authorize the release of all records related to his service," Fitton said.


German in a letter dated September 15, also referred Judicial Watch to Kerry's campaign website for more information on Kerry's military records.

"Numerous responsive U.S. Navy service record documents, as well as service record documents not subject to disclosure requirements under the FOIA, may be accessed at" the Kerry campaign's website applying to his military records, wrote German.
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/military_records.html

"Right now we are in the 'Alice in Wonderland' situation, where the U.S. Navy is telling us to go to a campaign Internet site to get government FOIA documents," Fitton said.

"I am not aware of any other instance where [a government agency] told us to go to a political website for documents," he added. "It's not a reliable repository of government documents."

In additional correspondence with Judicial Watch dated Sept. 15, the Navy stated that it did not have a copy of Kerry's Discharge Certificate (DD Form 256N), adding that the Navy did not keep files of the certificate in its records.
German wrote in a letter dated Sept. 15, "A copy of an honorable discharge certificate (DD256N) is not placed in the U.S. Navy Service record when issued."

Jerome Corsi, co-author of the best-selling book "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry," told CNSNews.com the he was "surprised" the Navy did not have a copy of Kerry's discharge file.

"That means [Kerry's] got it," Corsi said. "It goes against his contention that he has released everything that is in his possession, because certainly that form is in his possession."

Corsi believes that the Navy's official response proves that "it's Kerry who is blocking the release of the [military] documents and nobody else."

"What's Senator Kerry got to hide?" Corsi asked. "By not releasing these files, he is creating the impression that there is something there he doesn't want anybody to see. What is it?"

Judicial Watch is also awaiting the U.S. Navy's response to its inquiry regarding Kerry's "Silver Star with combat V." The citation appears in Kerry's DD214 military form on his website, but according to military officials, no such medal exists.

"Kerry's record is incorrect. The Navy has never issued a 'combat V' to anyone for a Silver Star," said a Naval official to reporter Thomas Lipscomb in an article for the August 27th Chicago Sun Times.

According to the Sun Times article, "Naval regulations do not allow for the use of a 'combat V' for the Silver Star, the third-highest decoration the Navy awards. None of the other services has ever granted a Silver Star 'combat V,' either."
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I can't get a image to post but open the PDF file
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/navykerryresponse.pdf
and look at the Biographical data page. The Awards and Comendations section does not show the Silver Star w/"V", but the Bronze Star does show the "V" device.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:28 pm    Post subject: 31 pages, or 100? Reply with quote

I seem to remember an earlier report that the Navy said there were 100 pages plus of Kerry records, only a few of which had been released. Can anybody explain the discrepancy?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: 31 pages, or 100? Reply with quote

> ... an earlier report that the Navy said there were
> 100 pages plus of Kerry records, only a few of
> which had been released. Can anybody explain the
> discrepancy?


My first thought was that the new "31" figure represents
the original 100 less the pages that Kerry has already
put on his web site. But the whole matter is vague
enough that, absent an SF-180, the answer is far
from obvious. Perhaps the SBVFT have some
para-legals trying to develop a tally, and determine
what might still be "out there".

We also don't know if what Kerry has released are
as-issued or altered. The Navy hasn't spoken to that
yet, and Judicial Watch hasn't really asked them point
blank.

I would think that since military records are sometimes
used as credentials for employment, that the USN has
a process for saying yea or nay on authenticity, even
though the record itself might not be one that they can
release without the subject's permission.
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