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RobD · Lt.Jg. Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 147 Location: Reno Nv

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This is pure fantasy and is just my opinion on who, how and why these fake documents appeared.

First off lets admit that these documents are really bad fakes. No offense to the people who exposed these documents as fakes but you have to admit that whoever did them wanted them to be discovered as forgeries.

Who?

Kerry Camp or DNC?
Supposedly these docs surfaced six weeks ago, when the Kerry campaign was still leading or even in the polls so I doubt they created them, and besides I would think they could have got somebody to do a much better job.

Bush Camp?
Not likely as they had not even had there convention yet and the race was basically tied.

Who else might have a motive to pull this stunt? Other then Bush who else has been smeared by the Dems over Bush's TANG service. I would say that the Texas ANG has been smeared by association and many are probable pretty POed about it.

Why?
Was the intent for this to go all the way to CBS and get on the air. I don't think so. I think this was a practical joke that got out of control because of the Dems and the MSM desire to win at any cost.

How?
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ord33 · Rear Admiral Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 670 Location: Ohio

Personally, I am doubting CBS' statement that they verified the authenticity for 6 weeks, or 6 weeks ago...

integritycounts · Rear Admiral Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 667

DNC: Lets run a anti-war radical with no record of accomplishment in the Senate....we will have a convention all about Vietnam and his service there....but lets not expect anyone to bring up his radical anti-war history, even though there are plenty of films of it

that logic concerns me about terrorism more than anything else....its just plain stupid

RobD · Lt.Jg. Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 147 Location: Reno Nv

Oops left off the How.
How?

My theory is that some Democrat opposition researcher(Dem Dirt Digger DDD for short) went down to Texas and started snooping around Bush's old base and ran into someone who did not like how the Dems have been smearing the TANG, so they gave them what they were looking for. The guy whipped up some obviously fake docs and gave them to the DDD thinking maybe the guy would get fired if he tried to pass them off as real, never thinking they would get any farther then the DDD. Now that this has snowballed I would guess that whoever made up these docs is sweating bullets.
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grandforker · Seaman Recruit Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 44

ccr · Commander Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 325

My operating theory is Ben Barnes.

The significance of this is that Barnes is so close to Kerry that he will have great difficulty distancing himself from it.

While there is no PROOF it is Barnes, there are a number of pieces of circumstancial evidence....

1. Ben Barnes is the primary named source in the 60 Minutes report.

In a story using named and unnamed sources from the same side, they are usually the same people. This has to do with how reporters are supposed to handle sources and do fact checking.

2. In addition to political motivation, Ben Barnes is believed to have a financial interest in this story.

Deep Throat was right when he told Woodward and Berstein to "follow the money". Barnes daughter says he is working on a book.

That Barnes is a very partisian Democrat is not in question.

3. Very serious questions exist relative to Barnes integrity.

His career in elected office was destroyed in scandal. Many have stepped forward to say that Barnes lies. His statements are Kerry like in terms of consistancy.
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Sonar5 · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:04 pm Post subject: Check out this article..

I didn't see this thread, while I was putting together another one on the origin of the document forgery story, but I posted this:

This story will lead back to the Kerry campaign and who knew about these documents and why they were not vetted properly, IMHO, and others....

American Spectator has run this story which is very telling about links to the Kerry Campaign and the DNC, where they state the DNC and Kerry Campaign was aware of the documents:
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7096

Nathanyl · PO3 Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 280

Who knows where the document originated from. I know the Spectator mentions that CBS got the documents from some people in the DNC so if that's accurate that puts the DNC and Kerry in the middle of it and holding some responsibility for the outcome.

At the same time I don't know that it matters all that much who typed those documents. What's important and frightening about this incident is that it shows the extreme bias and disrespect for the intelligence of the public that exists in parts of our press. I can't believe that CBS was unaware that those documents were probably fake. In fact in the same Spectator article CBS sources actually admit they had doubts but ran with it anyway. To me this shows that news outlets such as CBS, CNN, The NY Times, and the The Boston Herald have gone from reporting events to trying to dictate events. This type of so-called journalism is nothing but a form of censoring and hopefully the document incident will be the first step towards purging this cancer from our news outlets.