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Doc Jerry
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 Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 6:26 pm Post subject: Philadelphia Inquirer Today on Swift Boat Vets |
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Huge Philadelphia Inquirer piece on SBVets entitled, "Swift Boat Group Has Morphoed into Political Machine." at:
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/9641483.htm?1c
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| Hey Doc, can you post the article? The link brings me to a sign up screen. |
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Swift boat group has morphed into a political machine
The anti-John Kerry veterans have raised millions and used a network of GOP-affiliated consultants.
By Tom Infield and Meg Laughlin
Inquirer Staff Writers
WASHINGTON - Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the Vietnam veterans' group that set out in the spring to make an issue of Democrat John Kerry's 1971 antiwar stance, has grown into a well-organized political machine with a multimillion-dollar budget and a network of Republican-affiliated consultants.
Organization leaders are adamant that they remain in control of the group's strategy. But interviews with founders and others familiar with the group's formation make it clear that the GOP-allied pros have joined with hard-liners in the group's leadership to make its campaign against Kerry more strident.
Some feel that the advertising campaign, which initially featured plainspoken old sailors, has become too slick.
"Sincere is better than smooth. I get my two cents in, but I'm not making [ad] decisions anymore," said retired Rear Adm. Roy F. Hoffmann, one of the group's founders.
The Kerry campaign contends that the group is directed by President Bush's reelection campaign in violation of federal law. Three election-watchdog groups have filed complaints with the Federal Election Commission. The veterans' group's legal counsel, Benjamin Ginsberg, who also was an adviser to Bush, resigned from the President's campaign after the complaints were filed.
Founders of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth say the President's campaign never called the shots.
But since its founding in April, the group has taken on a range of Republican-affiliated paid consultants, including Ginsberg's law firm, a network of GOP political and media strategists, and TV-ad producers.
When nearly 200 Swift boat veterans signed a letter in May demanding that Kerry account for statements he made after he returned home from Vietnam, the unifying theme was that Kerry had besmirched their honor by alleging that American troops routinely committed atrocities in Vietnam.
Not everyone agreed that Kerry had lied about his own conduct in Vietnam or had falsified reports to get medals. But by early July, as the group and its advisers began planning television ads, that theme took hold.
The rest of the story here: http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/9641483.htm
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| Quote: | Swift boat group has morphed into a political machine
The anti-John Kerry veterans have raised millions and used a network of GOP-affiliated consultants.
By Tom Infield and Meg Laughlin
Inquirer Staff Writers
WASHINGTON - Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the Vietnam veterans' group that set out in the spring to make an issue of Democrat John Kerry's 1971 antiwar stance, has grown into a well-organized political machine with a multimillion-dollar budget and a network of Republican-affiliated consultants.
Organization leaders are adamant that they remain in control of the group's strategy. But interviews with founders and others familiar with the group's formation make it clear that the GOP-allied pros have joined with hard-liners in the group's leadership to make its campaign against Kerry more strident.
Some feel that the advertising campaign, which initially featured plainspoken old sailors, has become too slick.
"Sincere is better than smooth. I get my two cents in, but I'm not making [ad] decisions anymore," said retired Rear Adm. Roy F. Hoffmann, one of the group's founders.
The Kerry campaign contends that the group is directed by President Bush's reelection campaign in violation of federal law. Three election-watchdog groups have filed complaints with the Federal Election Commission. The veterans' group's legal counsel, Benjamin Ginsberg, who also was an adviser to Bush, resigned from the President's campaign after the complaints were filed.
Founders of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth say the President's campaign never called the shots.
But since its founding in April, the group has taken on a range of Republican-affiliated paid consultants, including Ginsberg's law firm, a network of GOP political and media strategists, and TV-ad producers.
When nearly 200 Swift boat veterans signed a letter in May demanding that Kerry account for statements he made after he returned home from Vietnam, the unifying theme was that Kerry had besmirched their honor by alleging that American troops routinely committed atrocities in Vietnam.
Not everyone agreed that Kerry had lied about his own conduct in Vietnam or had falsified reports to get medals. But by early July, as the group and its advisers began planning television ads, that theme took hold.
Group hard-liners and the advisers "felt it was time to raise some of the more serious charges," said Merrie Spaeth, a Dallas public-relations specialist who has worked with the group since its inception. "... What clearly has happened is that the people who wanted to raise every point [against Kerry] get more and more of an opportunity."
Why? Because as contributions to the group grew, so did its staff of professionals who knew how to play political hardball. And as their anti-Kerry message became increasingly damaging with a wider reach, hard-line veterans led by John E. O'Neill, a Houston lawyer, and William Franke, a Washington-area businessman, felt they could flex more muscle.
The group claims to have raised $6.7 million from 53,000 people. Much of that comes from contributors giving $100 or less, the group says.
"A grassroots effort," spokesman Mike Russell calls it.
But a report the group filed Friday with the Federal Election Commission showed that big money from Texas Republicans continues to fuel a major part of the anti-Kerry effort. The report showed that T. Boone Pickens, a Dallas oilman and corporate-takeover specialist, gave $500,000, and that another Dallas oilman, Albert Huddleston, gave $100,000.
Fueled by this money, the group's three TV ads and one Internet ad have been seen by millions of Americans.
On Friday, an ad blasting Kerry for renouncing his war medals 30 years ago was rereleased on national cable television. The group says it has spent close to $3 million to run its ads.
And the ads aren't the end of the group's success. Unfit for Command, a book written by O'Neill and Jerome R. Corsi to bolster the group's anti-Kerry campaign, became an instant best-seller last month.
Many political observers believe the group's advertising has played a major role in undercutting Kerry's standing in the polls.
O'Neill said this was far different from the small impact he hoped for when he decided in February to campaign against Kerry.
A former Swift boat commander, O'Neill was in a hospital in February when he saw Kerry on television, surrounded by veteran supporters. He cringed at the thought of Kerry becoming commander in chief.
O'Neill had not met Kerry in Vietnam, but the two later debated on the nationally broadcast Dick Cavett Show. O'Neill had been urged to speak out against Kerry's antiwar position in a meeting with President Richard Nixon and top aide Charles Colson at the White House.
He said that as Kerry's campaign advanced he began to get calls from national media asking him for interviews.
"I needed someone to help me react, because I was getting a million calls and I was not in good shape," O'Neill said.
He contacted Spaeth, the wife of his late law partner, Harold "Tex" Lezar. She was President Ronald Reagan's director of media relations and, according to the Dallas Morning News, had coached independent counsel Kenneth Starr on his 1998 testimony against President Bill Clinton at Clinton's impeachment trial.
O'Neill said Spaeth, aware that he wasn't feeling well, advised him to "forget it." But O'Neill would not be deterred.
A couple of weeks later, O'Neill learned that another veteran was working to stop Kerry. Hoffmann, who had commanded a task force of Swift boats in Vietnam, was angered by the way he and other officers were portrayed in a Kerry biography, Tour of Duty, that drew on the Massachusetts senator's war journals.
Hoffmann, of Richmond, Va., began calling other veterans to see if they would join him in some kind of effort to challenge Kerry.
O'Neill and Hoffmann were brought together by a third Swift boat veteran, Houston lawyer Alvin A. "Andy" Horne. He was O'Neill's friend and had heard of Hoffmann's search.
O'Neill and Hoffmann became the group's driving force. Hoffmann had the organizational skills and the names of former Swift boat officers who might be enlisted in the cause. O'Neill, who graduated first in his class at the University of Texas Law School, had the professional savvy and lawyer's skills.
In time, they would be joined by a number of financially successful Swift boat veterans who had become businessmen, bankers and high-ranking officers - men who knew how to get things done.
In early April, O'Neill, Hoffmann, Horne, Franke, and a handful of others who called themselves "the steering committee" met at Spaeth's office to strategize.
The steering committee immediately saw that some sort of political organization had to be formed - perhaps a 527 committee. Named for a section of the Internal Revenue Code, a 527 can raise money to influence a federal election, so long as it does not coordinate its activities with a candidate or party.
O'Neill said he researched how to form and run such a group and got help from Political Compliance Strategies, an organization in the Washington area. Political Compliance Strategies is led by Susan Arceneaux, who was the treasurer of a political action committee associated with former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, a Texas Republican. The company now oversees the group's books and prepares required government reports.
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was registered with the IRS on April 23. Its early expenditures included money for a Dallas-area private investigator, Tom Rupprath. Hoffmann said Rupprath's job was to find vets and collect their stories so that a single account could be presented to the public.
"If everyone was saying something different it could be confusing. We wanted one version of the truth," Hoffmann said.
Eighteen veterans showed up at a May 4 news conference at the National Press Club organized by Spaeth, and 177 others added their names to the letter challenging Kerry.
Disappointed by the scant coverage from the national media, the steering committee - which still has weekly phone conference calls - decided to raise money for a TV ad campaign.
O'Neill said he asked two big donors for money.
Texan Harlan Crow, a trustee of the George Bush Presidential Library Fund, which honors the current president's father, gave $25,000.
Bob J. Perry, a major GOP donor in Texas and a friend of Karl Rove, Bush's top political adviser, gave $100,000 on June 30, according to a financial report. Later, O'Neill said, Perry doubled his donation.
"I'm certain some of the people giving us money are doing it because they think this will help their side of the campaign," O'Neill said. "It's probably fair to say the people more likely to help us are Republicans."
With money in hand, the group was able to bring on advisers led by Chris LaCivita, a political strategist and an expert in TV ads. LaCivita had worked for the National Republican Senatorial Committee in 2002. Last year, he became the executive director of Progress for America, a Republican-affiliated tax-exempt organization founded by Tony Feather, the political director of Bush's campaign in 2000.
LaCivita, whom O'Neill said draws a $10,000-a-month retainer, declined to be interviewed.
Two steering-committee members - O'Neill and Franke, the founder of Gannon International Ltd., a St. Louis-based holding company - brought in LaCivita and a public-relations firm to oversee ads and media strategy.
The public-relations firm, Creative Response Concepts, of Alexandria, Va., has worked for the Republican Party and conservative causes.
In a defining moment, on July 9 and 10, dozens of veterans, the group's top advisers, and a filmmaking crew descended on a Marriott hotel in Rosslyn, Va., to film raw material for later commercials.
Swift boat veteran Larry Thurlow flew in from Bogue, Kan., after the group offered to pay his and his wife's expenses. Thurlow said he was hesitant to become involved but Hoffmann kept asking him to join the group.
"The admiral helped me to see in hindsight what was really going on with Kerry," Thurlow said.
The veterans and a Studio City, Calif., film producer, Harry Kloor, moved to a Washington studio to film interviews for a later commercial that would be put together by LaCivita and another political adman, Rick Reed, a member of a team that had worked for Sen. John McCain (R., Ariz.) in his 2000 campaign for president.
Thurlow said the vets were told some of what to say, with the caveat that they weren't expected to say anything they didn't believe.
"I was told to say, 'On the river that day, Kerry fled.' But 'fled' connotes fear and I understood why Kerry left, then returned, so I didn't use that word," Thurlow said.
Each of the veterans talked from five to 20 minutes - giving the film crew enough footage for 10 commercials.
The group's first commercial was shown on Aug. 4 in three states where Kerry had been campaigning - Ohio, Wisconsin and West Virginia - at a reported cost of about $550,000.
But its impact was national. News stories about the ads were published and broadcast throughout the country. The attention generated thousands of small donations that totaled up to $100,000 a day, group leaders say.
The group followed up with a $650,000 airtime buy to run a second commercial in Pennsylvania, Nevada and New Mexico. The same ad later ran nationwide on cable channels at a cost of $800,000.
After that came a $300,000 ad buy in Florida and Tennessee for a third commercial dealing with Kerry's post-Vietnam act of throwing away some of his Navy decorations. The group just spent $680,000 more to replay this ad on major cable networks.
More ads are on the way, and the group is hoping to become an even stronger force against Kerry.
"One thing's for sure," Hoffmann said. "Nov. 2, we're finished."
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I wonder if these two intrepid journalists-for-truth will do a similar story on the Kerry campaign, Soros, CBS, or MoveOn and the funding/sources provided? I won't hold my breath.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 12:01 am Post subject: Philadelphia Inquirer |
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No MSM outlet would do a story on the Kerry Campaign like this one. They would be afraid they might have to tell the truth.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:41 am Post subject: Re: Philadelphia Inquirer |
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| rhv5862 wrote: | No MSM outlet would do a story on the Kerry Campaign like this one. They would be afraid they might have to tell the truth.
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As I said in an earlier thread, it's pathetic that the Phila. Inquirer has been reduced to the role of a Bean Counter. They do not have the intellect on board to address the substantive issues.
Readers, to understand how idiotic and socialist this once-proud newspaper has become, see this article that was a few pages from the SwiftVets one: "The Class War That Isn't"
This article speaks against tax cuts for the rich because the rich then live more lavishly. That "burdens' the out-of-control middle class because they are tempted to spend beyond their means, due to the "Keeping up with the Joneses" phenomenon! 
That's why Tax Cuts for the rich are bad. Because it tempts the middle class to spend too much! 
The article concludes that repealing tax cuts would not only alleviate the economic squeeze on families in the middle, it also might even make life more enjoyable for the wealthy.
The article actually concludes with this line:
"After all, managing a 60,000-square-foot mansion is a major headache. If fewer people built houses that large, fewer would feel any desire to own one."
Courtesy Cornell U.
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http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/9641415.htm
The Class War That Isn't
Sunday, Sept. 12, 2004
Envy isn't what you might think. Tax cuts for the wealthiest prompt a trickle-down effect that burdens middle-income households.
By Robert H. Frank
As they did in 2000 against Al Gore, Republicans are again deriding Democratic criticism of tax cuts for the wealthy as "class warfare." It's a deft linguistic ploy, for the term was originally used to portray the wealthy as elites who exploited workers unfairly. Many found this rhetoric compelling during the robber-baron era, more than a century ago, when employers hired armies of thugs to bust their labor unions.
Today, however, the rhetoric of exploitation falls largely on deaf ears. For despite the recent spate of examples of fortunes amassed by fraud, middle-class voters appear to accept that the current generation of wealthy Americans earned their money not through strong-arm tactics, but by offering services that others value highly.
The fact remains, however, that the behavior of the wealthy has been the root cause of a serious economic squeeze confronting the middle class, whose incomes have failed to keep pace with the prices of housing, tuition, health insurance, and a host of other basic services during recent decades. Through a chain of events, the increased spending of the top 1 percent, who earned three times as much in 2000 as in 1979, has placed many basic goals out of reach for the median family.
The links in this chain unfold roughly as follows. When the incomes of the wealthy rise, they eventually spend more on houses, cars, clothing and other goods, just as others do. Upon learning that someone at the top has built a 60,000-square-foot house or purchased a new Ferrari Scaglietti, most of us feel no inclination to alter our own spending.
But among those just below the top, such purchases have an impact. They subtly change the social frame of reference that defines what kinds of houses and cars seem necessary or appropriate. Additional spending by top earners thus leads others just below them to spend more. And when they do so, others just below them are affected in the same way, and so on, all the way down the income ladder.
In short, burgeoning incomes at the top have launched "expenditure cascades" that have ended up squeezing the middle class. An expenditure cascade in housing, for example, helps explain why the median size of a newly constructed house in the United States, which stood at less than 1,600 square feet in 1980, had grown to more than 2,100 square feet by 2001. During the same period, the median family's real income increased by less than 15 percent - not nearly enough to comfortably finance so much larger a house.
The steep rise in median house prices is one of the most important sources of the middle-class economic squeeze. It is an indirect consequence of the higher incomes and spending of top earners.
It might seem that a family could escape the squeeze by just buying a smaller house. But that option would entail a significant cost. The problem is that there is a strong link between the price of a house and the quality of the corresponding neighborhood school. Failure to buy a house near the median price for the area means having to send one's children to below-average schools, a cost that most parents seem unwilling to bear. The upshot is that despite a modest increase in their incomes, middle-class families must now work longer hours, borrow more, save less, and commute longer distances in order to continue sending their children to schools of just average quality.
Under the circumstances, it's no mystery that working- and middle-class voters are growing restive. What's surprising, however, is that they remain so free of resentment toward the rich. Indeed, almost two-thirds of low-income survey respondents favor repeal of the estate tax, a step that would benefit only the wealthiest 1 percent. And until recently, few political candidates dared even question the wisdom of large income-tax cuts for the wealthy, whose incomes have been growing at record rates.
One reason the middle class feels so little rancor toward the wealthy is that the two groups just don't compete directly with each other. As Bertrand Russell once observed, beggars don't envy millionaires. They envy other beggars who are doing just a little better than they are. The fact that Bill Gates might earn an extra billion or build another wing onto his mansion not only doesn't seem to bother middle-class voters, many of them actually enjoy following media accounts of his lifestyle.
And why not? Biologists teach that life is best understood as a competitive struggle for the resources needed to raise families, and for middle-class voters, the rivals who matter are not people like Bill Gates. In the quest for a better job or a house in a better school district, it's the people most like ourselves who really count. From the perspective of a middle-class voter struggling to get ahead, fretting about the good fortune of the rich is a complete distraction.
Even so, the expenditure cascade launched by top earners has placed a real burden on middle- and low-income families. This is not to say that top earners have done anything wrong. Certainly it was not their intent to cause trouble for those below. Yet the runaway prosperity they've enjoyed in recent decades has imposed significant tangible costs on the middle class.
That the link between spending at the top and the middle-class squeeze is indirect may explain why there is so little resentment toward the rich, but that provides no reason to ignore this link when evaluating economic policies.
Recently enacted federal tax legislation will steer almost $700 million in tax reductions to the wealthiest 1 percent during the next decade. In response, these people will build still bigger mansions and buy still more expensive cars. And a new round of expenditure cascades will put additional financial pressure on the middle class.
To question the wisdom of tax cuts for the wealthy is not to issue a battle call for class warfare. Repealing those cuts would not only alleviate the economic squeeze on families in the middle, it also might even make life more enjoyable for the wealthy. After all, managing a 60,000-square-foot mansion is a major headache. If fewer people built houses that large, fewer would feel any desire to own one.
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Robert H. Frank is author of Luxury Fever and coauthor of The Winner-Take-All Society. He is the Henrietta Johnson Louis Professor of Management and a professor of economics at Cornell University's Johnson School of Management. Contact him at rhf3@cornell.edu. |
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| I find it interesting that the news has found that the thousands given by some to the SBVT is somehow irregular but the millions given to Victory 2004 never gets mentioned. The biggest contributor is not Soros but a PeterB Lewis of Progressive Insurance Co. 14,000,000 thats million..Soros 13,000,000 , Hanoi Jane 13,000,000 A Shangrala ecx. some 13,000,000 I lost count of the rest of the millions given. there is a site called Center for Public Integrity, hardly a right wing org. that gives LOTS of information about campaign financing and you can follow the money trail pretty good. These people along with the Mz Heinz Foundation are linked with some orgsyou would shake your head about!!! Don't you wonder what is the motivating factor for millions to be given to a presidential race??? As for me I will continue with my tens of dollars as it is going to a much better cause and used more effectively. |
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From fortdixlover's post:
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That the link between spending at the top and the middle-class squeeze is indirect may explain why there is so little resentment toward the rich, but that provides no reason to ignore this link when evaluating economic policies. |
I submit that the real cause of the economic problems with taxation and elevated pricing today can be placed on the desk of President Richard M. Nixon. Two laws that he signed have directly impacted the economy to the detriment of the Public:
The US Dollar was taken off the Gold Standard.
True, that the manner in which the Standard was established was bad; but a better solution would have been to set the Dollar to equal a set fraction of an ounce and allow the world price to seek its own level thereby raising the purchasing power of the Dollar. Yes, there still would have been upheaval in the world markets, but gold would not have risen to near $800/oz and the following recession would have been lessened.
Nixon put in place the ESA and its bureaurocracy the EPA and the expanded bureaus in Interior.
Land is wealth; you either farm it, mine it, log it, build on it, or leave it fallow. By taking land out of the hands of Americans, the government is the root cause of the price increases across the board as well as the growth of taxes of all types on those same Americans.
This guy isn't an economist, he's a communist/socialist putting Marx's and Malthus's, as well as Gramsci's theories into play.
(I am not an economist, and did not stay at a Holliday Express last night.)
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| I find it interesting that the Kerry-ites are never condemed for accepting Soro's $$$$. Living near Philly, I can tell you that the Phila. Inquirer is good for one thing.... lining your bird cage. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:20 pm Post subject: WTF |
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| Typical liberal spin. Does anyone expect anything different, but rest assured WE THE PEOPLE will decide who is telling the truth and judging by book sales and contributions, things look a little bad for the DNC,MSM, AND john.f.kerry |
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Although this article is not that positive I think it keeps the story alive and does repeat some of the comments that John O'neill made. This is really quite an improvement from the original NY Times seven degrees of separation article. This is a good trend if it continues.
Maybe some smart journalist in the main stream media will even do an investigative piece as to why John Kerry's past record of dishonor and betrayal is so important to today's election. |
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| Quote: | | "If everyone was saying something different it could be confusing. We wanted one version of the truth," Hoffmann said. |
Notice how this was set out by itself, as though there are many "versions" of the truth, presumably Kerry's being one of them.
| Quote: | Some feel that the advertising campaign, which initially featured plainspoken old sailors, has become too slick.
"Sincere is better than smooth. I get my two cents in, but I'm not making [ad] decisions anymore," said retired Rear Adm. Roy F. Hoffmann, one of the group's founders. |
Here, we have the big, bad political strategists helping the SBVT, but buried down below, we see
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Thurlow said the vets were told some of what to say, with the caveat that they weren't expected to say anything they didn't believe.
"I was told to say, 'On the river that day, Kerry fled.' But 'fled' connotes fear and I understood why Kerry left, then returned, so I didn't use that word," Thurlow said.
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This implies (although you won't get it from this article) that the SBVT testimonies were never forced, only polished.
All through this "objective" article, we see comments like this:
| Quote: | | The public-relations firm, Creative Response Concepts, of Alexandria, Va., has worked for the Republican Party and conservative causes. |
| Quote: | | The veterans and a Studio City, Calif., film producer, Harry Kloor, moved to a Washington studio to film interviews for a later commercial that would be put together by LaCivita and another political adman, Rick Reed, a member of a team that had worked for Sen. John McCain (R., Ariz.) in his 2000 campaign for president. |
And so on. The article is rife with them.
Do they really expect Democrat allied firms to be offering their services to a group that is revealing the truth about Kerry? How many of these same organizations were contacted by the DNC and Kerry for their expertise?
And now, we have Carville and Begala both offering their services to Kerry and maintaining their jobs at CNN. Where is the big expose on that?
Look at the relatively paltry $6.7million the SBVT has raised honestly and legally, and compare it to the millions from Soros and other Democrat affiliated sources, such as Hollywood.
If a half million from T. Boone Pickens is bad, isn't $13million from George Soros 26 times as bad, and fully deserving of an expose article like this?
As Brityank said above, don't hold your breath.
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"One thing's for sure," Hoffmann said. "Nov. 2, we're finished."
I just love the last line in story...almost short hand for.... "We came, we said the truth, we conquered, we gotta get home now, our wives say we are late for dinner, again" |
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| integritycounts wrote: | "One thing's for sure," Hoffmann said. "Nov. 2, we're finished."
I just love the last line in story...almost short hand for.... "We came, we said the truth, we conquered, we gotta get home now, our wives say we are late for dinner, again" |
Works for me.
If there's any money left over, where will it go?
Added to military relief funds? |
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