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[miltonsket]

I have read many cryptic posts on this and I don't understand -
Can someone please clarify the Discharge question for many of us.
At http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/military_records.html

Kerry site there is his Navy discharge from DD-214 here:

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD214.pdf

and then the reserve discharge at:

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Acceptance_of_Discharge_Naval_Reserve.pdf

Please in simple terms what is the controversy?
Is there a discrepancy in the dates or are these forms not correct?

[rb325th]

Major discrepancy, his Reserve Obligation was supposed to end in 1972, he did not recieve his discharge until 1978. That is a difference of 6 years, rather unusual situation, especially considering he never re-enlisted or extended his Reserve Time.
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U.S. Army 1983-1995, 11C1P/11H2P NBTDT

[miltonsket]

Ok I understand that from the DD-214 form but is there also something strange about the 1978 letter besides its seven years late. Is this a standard reserve dismissal letter / form ?

[rb325th]

I couldn't say except on appearance of the dates. When I left the Military it was from the Active Component.
I actually have two seperate DD-214s, one from my first Enlistment, the other from my second enlistment to include all my Reserve time between the two Active tours.
My first specificaly stated my reserve Obligation time, at the end of which I recieved no notification that it was over, or a "Discharge" from it.
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U.S. Army 1983-1995, 11C1P/11H2P NBTDT

[openfish24]

Put simply

Kerry won't release his records because to do so would show that he got an other than honorable discharge. The result of which was the revoking of all his medals.

Later in approx 1978 he got his discharge changed somehow. His medals were then reinstated.

I don't see why he keeps hiding this. If he does win they will sue to get his records released just as the dems did to George Bush. Only for Kerry hiding his discharge will result in impeachment.

Go figure

[air_vet]

[Ret. SMCS]

The 1978 letter is NOT normal! The two articles of Title 10 it cites deal with Involuntary separation from the reserves! Boards were NOT convened for discharges unless the discharge was going to be anything less than General, or if it was a request to have a discharge upgraded.


The more I look at John Kerry's military record (what he has posted, the more questions I have).
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USN SMCS(SW/AW), Retired '83-03

[Spiess]

Not only was his Honorable Discharge 6 years after his end of obligation the DD-214 does not show his awards, his awards were not added to his dd-214 untill august 2000, {I believe is the date} now there are two ways a person can recieve a new DD-214 with out awards, there was a review of either Other then honorable discharge or a dishonorable discharge. Dishonoarble discharge requires the conviction of a felony I believe is what Lipscombe wrote, however an other then honorable would be a likely scenerio due to his involvment with the Communists in the 1970s and known associates to american grown terrorist Al Hubbard,
Al Hubbard was a Black Panther, My Father was a police Officer in Lakewood Colorado during this time he classifies the black panthers as Terrorist, responsible for killing police officers, and bombings as a means to affect political change.

I hope this helps.

[The Ghost]

[air_vet]

[air_vet]

Here is what is available with regard to his service AFTER leaving extended active duty (EAD):

1 Mar 72 - ltr from Chief of Naval Personnel, states that without further action from Kerry he would be transferred to Standby-Reserve Inactive effective 1 Apr 72 or 1 Oct 72, whichever came first.

14 Aug 72 - ltr Standby-Reserve Inactive – modified date to read 1 Jul 72 instead of 1 Apr 72 – to me this meant he went into the Standby-Reserve Inactive on 1 Jul 72

16 Feb 78 lrt from SECNAV with subj: Honorable Discharge from US Naval Reserve. Paragraph 2 says this action is taken in accordance with the approved recommendations of a board of officers … Note that this is a FORM letter! The board met because the Navy was cleaning house and getting rid of non-participating reserve officers – such removal required action of a board of officers by Navy regs.

This is the letter often quoted to "prove" a dishonorable discharge (Title 10 USCS 1163). I just don't see a form letter being used if something sinister was involved.

13 Jul 78 ltr – Acceptance of resignation/discharge – makes reference the 16 Feb 78 SECNAV (NRPC Code 25) ltr.
Nothing sinister about NRPC Code 25 – a Google search showed it was the Naval Reserve Personnel Center address (Code 25) for separation/retirement matters.

I just don't see any smoking gun and I sure WISH I did!


Edited to include 16 Feb letter. I don't like spending time on this topic but I hate to see so much discussion on "a dog that won't hunt"