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[blue9t3]

Of course we can all expect those people who have gave so much of thier time and personal experiences to devote the same amount of energy to the thousands of people who have found themselves in the same situation as the woman in the news that was used as some sort of political pawn and has disrupted the american society to the point to where we must force our lawmakers to make a law that states "we must obey our laws".

That was one sentence, does anyone recall the man that said insanity is repeating the same over and over again and expecting a different outcome?

Get over it and die of something else!------blue9t3
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[shawa]

Well said, Navy!!!!
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[kate]

Agreed, well said EJ,
Thanks for putting into words, in this post and others, how many of us feel.!
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[LewWaters]

Let us not forget that her husband in name only, the one so strongly desiring her death and the one who supplied only his family members as evidence of her desire to die is also the same one who, right after he was awarded 1.2 million dollars for loss of consortium and lifetime care and FEEDING of Terri Schiavo stopped any and all therapy of her and prevented any attempts of rehabilitation for a period of 12 years.

In a 1990 medical report from Bayfront Medical Center, where Terri was at the time, it is reported that although medical staff have not witnessed attempts at verbal communication, "but it has been reported by HUSBAND and other family members and therapists over at College Harbor."

Even if she had made this wish back in 1985, who is to say she still maintains that wish? Have not all of us, one time or another, made wishes or passing comments that we changed our minds on years later? Are we now such sticklers for following the letter of the law that passing comments made several years prior may be used to justify killing us, if we are unable to communicate? If we are that intent on following the letter of the law, why aren't we prosecuting marijuana users and those who drive 1 mile per hour over the speed limit?

Just over 60 years ago, America, as the sole litigators, prosecuted 16 judges and 23 doctors, convicting most, for war crimes, which included euthanasia and starvation deaths of thousands of people.

Now, we have a legally blind judge who refuses to watch or allow videos of Terri obviously responding to those around her, who also made a fatal error in his dating of a prior event used to disallow evidence to the contrary to her wishes, who will not even entertain the idea that his ruling for her death may be erroneous when his own error is pointed out to him.

While this practice may have been going on for some time, this is the first case that has grabbed public opinion on the scale it has. Not knowing of the other cases does not make them any less hideous. Having a necrophiliac attorney publicly state how beautiful she looks near the end of her starvation and dehydration execution, while visions of those liberated from Dachau and Auswitzch dance in our minds, only added to the public outcry against this practice.

This was and is a very complex case, one that a woman was brutally killed by a barbaric action and there was not a single outcry from any major advocacy group that is always crying about mistreatment of women. She died while politicians played political football trying to use her for their own gain and furtherance of their careers. Many of these same politicians will stand up soon announcing the need for additional tax dollars to feed those who are hungry within our inner-cities and in other lands, but they were content to let this woman die as a result of starvation and dehydration and not one spoke out against the description of peaceful and beautiful used towards Terri Schiavo.

It's a sad day to look around and wonder which one of us may be next in this quest for a perfect society and to realize that we are allowing the same practices we prosecuted others for back in the 1940's.
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[Tanya]

Questions and Answers about "Artificial Feeding"

"Removing their food and water isn’t "letting them die." It’s making them die. Nor is this type of death "putting them out of their misery," as some would say. Instead it’s putting them into misery - the misery of dying in an excruciating manner. How could dying of thirst possibly be considered a peaceful death?"

http://www.internationaltaskforce.org/dehydration.htm

Thank you Navy3x

[Barbie2004]

I didn't know it was going on. I didn't know that my country had become a place where killing a helpless person was "accepted".

How many cases don't make it to the national media?

Now that I am aware, I consider this every bit as important as Iraq, terrorism, and national security.

Afterall, we are being attacked from within, through systematic brainwashing and propaganda.

BTW: I am still waiting for someone to show me where this "right to die" is in the Constitution.

[srmorton]

Dittos to both NavyX3 and Lew!!!

Although I had heard of Terri Schiavo prior to the March 18 deadline,
I guess I just did not believe that a healthy 41 year old woman could
be publically starved to death with the blessings of the judicial system
in the United States of America. Now, we are all aware that such an
atrocity can happen and will do all in our power to prevent it from
ever happening again.

If the patient does have a written living will, the family is in agreement,
and there is truly no hope for the patient, I would still be sad to see
someone starved to death in such a horrible manner, but I would have
to support the action of the family in that case. The Terri Schiavo case
satisfied none of those criteria and I still believe that many who now
think it was just a "private family matter" will be horrified when they
are confronted with the whole truth that the MSM refused to report.
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[Barbie2004]

Just my few words of caution:

[ocsparky101]

I agree with all that everyone is saying though about Terri's case. The question though is what are you all going to do about it? The President has even come out on many occasions and said there is a problem in the Judiciary in this country. How many Judges did you see get voted out of office? Judges in this country get elected on their names. Their fathers and grandfathers were judges and they get elected year after year because their names have been on the ballots for so many years. The judiciary today is the only place the liberals have any power today yet they still appear to be in control and feared by the conservatives for what they can do. Yet we have a State Supreme Court Justice today traveling the country with the "Ten Commandments". Why? Because he has no job and nothing else to do

[srmorton]

Barbie2004, I actually agree with everything you said in your response
to my post. What you said is closer to my own personal opinion. I was
trying to look at it more from a legal point of view since there already is
precedent for removing "life support" from a patient under certain
circumstances. I do not agree with those who consider a feeding tube
a form of life support. I would actually be in favor of a law that prohibits
removing food and water from any patient who can not speak for
themselves. I also agree that where there is life there is hope, because
I believe in a God of miracles.

I was just trying to emphasize that Terri's case did not remotely qualify
as a "test" case for the euthanasia crowd because there were (and still
are) so many unanswered questions about what her true wishes were
and whether she was truly in a PVS. We as a nation are poised at the
top of that "slippery slope" that you refer to and it is up to the state and
federal legislatures to enact laws that keep us from plummeting down it.
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[Navy_Navy_Navy]

Ohmigod... from the link Tanya posted I found this amicus brief:
http://www.internationaltaskforce.org/pdf/schiavo.pdf

This is not written in legalese - even I understand it perfectly.

It puts into words what some of us find so creepy about some of the Michael Schiavo side of this case and you will not believe what this Doctor Cranford dismisses and denigrates in the way of function-level.

A man operates an electric wheelchair, plays simple card games, chooses correctly colored pegs when asked and learns even to write. And Doctor Cranford argued that his feeding tube should be removed!

In both of the cases cited in this amicus brief, the court went against Dr. Cranford's "expert" testimony and two human beings remained alive. Too bad he managed to prevail in Terri's case.

In fact, Dr. Cranford has testified that there should be no differentiation between "minimally conscious" and "PVS" with regard to whether or not someone should be kept alive. He also says that spoon-feeding becomes a medical treatment when it delays the intended outcome (the death of the patient)

In one case, he testifed in response to a question about giving the patient the benefit of the doubt that the patient wouldn't be harmed by being allowed to live, but that "Robert should be allowed to die so the family can grieve." This was a man who smiled and interacted with family members. He claimed that absolutely the smiling was mere reflex and did not come from pleasure. Who ARE these doctors and lawyers who claim to know what these patients are feeling and thinking?

This doctor is up for sale to any person in the country who wishes "expert testimony" to support their choice to end another person's life!

He will testify even in cases in which he is unable to administer neuropsychological tests of cognition and even though he has not ever worked in a long-term brain injury rehab setting.

The amicus brief describes how words and terminology are being changed in our culture in order to make the repugnant acceptable.

And it describes how the "bar was raised" in the case of Terri Schindler - requiring her to meet a higher standard than prescribed by law and tested by precedent - that she be constantly interactive with her environment in order to be judged "conscious." (There's that "chipping away" effect in action, again)

Everyone who cares - take the time to read this brief.

Your eyes will pop, your blood will boil, but at least you will be aware of just how pervasive and effective is this culture of death.

This woman died not for lack of medical care - she died for lack of adequate legal representation.
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[blue9t3]

It sounds all good and dandy, till the rubber meets the road! Where are all these empty voices when there needed? thought so! jump on the wagon and sleep good tonight! put up or shut up....... Jim......aka......blue9t3
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