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becca1223
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That bigot would quickly stand up with anyone who hates Israel.
I'd be furious if David Duke ever took my side in a public debate such as this.
If I were her, I'd be telling him to STFU, real fast.
Reminds me of the Communist Party endorsing Kerry - oh PUH-LEEEZE don't do me any favors!  (remember they retracted the official endorsement and changing it into a campaign of 100 reasons why we must defeat George Bush.  )
All the loonies and weirdos piling on to her cause and using her like this - good heavens.
I pray for her and for her son - and for the family that is left behind and suffering doubly for his wacked-out mother's publicity tour. 
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| Quote: | BY JAMES TARANTO
Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:08 p.m. EDT
The Crippled-Vet Ploy
There's plenty of blame to go around for the appalling spectacle of Sheehanoia, but one name that hasn't been mentioned is that of John Kerry. Kerry might have invented, and he certainly pioneered, the tactic being employed by those who are exploiting Cindy Sheehan to further their political agenda. As he explained to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in April 1971:
"I called the media. . . . I said, 'If I take some crippled veterans down to the White House and we chain ourselves to the gates, will we get coverage?' 'Oh, yes, we will cover that.' "
Do you remember the media spectacle in Crawford, Texas, a year ago? It was precisely the crippled-vet ploy. Kerry sent triple amputee Max Cleland, who had been defeated in his 2002 Senate re-election bid, to deliver a letter to President Bush demanding that the president denounce the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. This move was stunning in its audacity, though not its effectiveness: Here was Kerry, staking his campaign on his authority as a Vietnam veteran, appealing to the authority of another Vietnam veteran in an effort to silence Vietnam veterans who opposed him.
The media love this sort of story because of its man-bites-dog nature: Vietnam veteran says fellow vets are war criminals! Sept. 11 widows blame Bush for their husbands' deaths! Gold Star Mother says son died in vain! But isn't the shtick getting a little old by now?
In any case, because of this man-bites-dog quality the stories are ultimately meaningless. John Kerry did not actually speak for Vietnam veterans, most of whom thought their service was honorable. The "Jersey girls" do not actually speak for Sept. 11 widows, most of whom understand that Islamist terrorists, not the president, murdered their husbands. And Cindy Sheehan does not actually speak for Gold Star Mothers, most of whom remember their children as heroes, not dupes; and hardly any of whom agree with Sheehan that "this country is not worth dying for."
Sheehanoia is a sign of the desperation, not the strength, of the left in America. Publicity stunts are no substitute for an actual political program. Joan Walsh writes in Salon:
Even as Sheehan's public relations victories give people reason to be optimistic about the administration's unraveling in Iraq, liberals and war opponents have to be careful not to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Rooting for "the administration's unraveling in Iraq"--that is, for America's defeat in the central antiterror battleground--is not what we'd call a political program.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Antiwar protester Sheehan to move campsite
Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:49 PM BST
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By Caren Bohan
CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - Antiwar protester Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, is moving her camp closer to President George W. Bush's Texas ranch.
The piece of private property was offered by a relative of a man who had a fired shotgun in frustration over the protests, a source in the Sheehan camp said. The property owner is also a veteran.
"A neighbour of President Bush's has offered us his land," the source said. "It's got plenty of acreage for us, it's private land, we would have legal permission to be on it, it's much closer to the ranch -- in fact it's across the street from his (Bush's) church."
"We have taken him up on his offer," the source added.
Sheehan was not immediately available for comment.
Sheehan was expected to begin moving as early as Wednesday morning.
She is in the 10th day of her vigil on Prairie Chapel Road, which leads to Bush's 1,600-acre (647.5-hectare) ranch. She calls her site "Camp Casey," after her 24-year-old son who was killed in combat in Iraq.
According to the source, the land offered to Sheehan is owned by Fred Mattlage, who is a distant cousin of Larry Mattlage, a man who fired a shotgun over the weekend in frustration over the commotion caused by the vigil.
The source said Fred Mattlage made the offer saying "I'm a veteran, I support what you all are doing and I want to offer you my land."
Sheehan, of Vacaville, California, has demanded a meeting with Bush at which she said she wants to call for the withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Iraq.
While Bush has expressed sympathy for Sheehan's grief, the White House has declined a meeting. Sheehan previously met with Bush in 2004 but wants to talk to him face-to-face again.
Sheehan's vigil has attracted anti-war activists from across the United States -- many of them also relatives of soldiers killed in Iraq -- who arrived to offer support, share a hug with Sheehan and join in her daily media events.
But in this quiet farming town of just over 700 people, many residents have found the activity disruptive.
In the latest sign of tension, a man in a pickup trunk on Monday night ran over crosses at Sheehan's campsite.
Some 800 white wooden crosses, bearing the names of soldiers killed in Iraq have lined the road near the area where Sheehan has pitched a tent. Witnesses said they saw a lorry dragging a pipe and chains drive over some of the crosses.
Larry Northern, 46, of nearby Waco, Texas, was arrested and charged with criminal mischief in connection with the incident.
Earlier on Tuesday, a group of residents showed up at a hearing of county officials to complain about the traffic caused by activists and reporters who shuttle back and forth to the camp site.
They brought a petition seeking to ban parking and camping along Prairie Chapel Road.
Displayed in front of one resident's house was a big sign that read, "We support our commander-in-chief." |
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Rdtf
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http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/politics/12398783.htm
| Quote: | OAKDALE, Minn. - Former FBI whistleblower Coleen Rowley, along with a state senator whose son died in Iraq, are headed to Texas this week to join a growing anti-war demonstration near President Bush's ranch.
Rowley, now a Democratic candidate for Congress, and Sen. Becky Lourey will join a protest initiated by Cindy Sheehan, whose own son died in Iraq last year. Sheehan started the vigil Aug. 6, coinciding with Bush's summer vacation. She has said she won't leave until the president meets with her.
Rowley said Tuesday that she and Lourey would leave Thursday and stay at least through Sunday, sleeping in a tent at the site. They are paying their own way, she said.
Lourey's son, Matt Lourey, died May 26 when the Army helicopter he was piloting was shot down. A Democrat from northern Minnesota, Lourey was a consistent critic of the Iraq war - she authored a state Senate petition against it in 2003 - but was also supportive of her son's military career.
Lourey didn't return a call seeking comment Tuesday. She was a Democratic candidate for governor in 2002.
Rowley, a former special agent in the FBI's Minneapolis office, gained fame in 2002 for her criticism of FBI leadership. She said officials failed to act on information that cast suspicion on some Sept. 11 hijackers in the months before they carried out their attacks, and was later named one of Time magazine's people of the year for her efforts.
Now challenging incumbent U.S. Rep. John Kline, a Republican, Rowley has emerged as a harsh critic of the war in Iraq.
"It puts a human face on this issue," said Rowley, who mentioned the trip briefly in a campaign appearance here and then elaborated afterward in an interview with The Associated Press. "Many people, if they don't have a personal connection to the troops, it's so easy for this to become a discussion that lacks seriousness and urgency. I think it's good to show that there are real people that are being affected."
Rowley met Sheehan earlier this month at a Veterans for Peace convention in Dallas, where both women spoke. At that meeting, Sheehan shared her plans to stake out Bush's ranch.
A few days later, Rowley said, she called Lourey - whom she'd never met - and suggested a trip to Crawford to lend support to Sheehan. Rowley said Lourey had already considered making the trip.
Rowley said she wants to "stay in the background" and offer moral support to Lourey, especially since the vigil has drawn critics and counter-demonstrations in recent days.
"You have to have compassion for folks like Becky Lourey and Cindy Sheehan, who have lost sons in the war," said Bill Walsh, executive director of the Minnesota Republican Party. "I don't need to question their motives, but I don't think you should question the president's motives either. He's fully aware of the ramifications of sending people's children into battle, but he has to balance that with the question of how do we best address the serious problems facing our world."
Walsh was less kind to Rowley.
"You can't ignore the fact that Coleen Rowley is running for Congress right now," he said. "That has to be part of this equation."
Rowley said her opposition to the Iraq war stems from a conviction that it has actually incited more terrorism around the world while purporting to fight it.
"This is not the right path," she said. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Wasn't David Duke the Grandmaster of the KKK, or something like that, a couple of decades ago? |
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| What's your take on the taxes thing? If it actually came time, and she owed the money to the govt. (take a couple of years for all the stuff to go through anyway), Do you think that they would charge her for tax evasion? It's gonna be a political hotcake and it would make her a martyr.... |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| MrJapan wrote: | | Wasn't David Duke the Grandmaster of the KKK, or something like that, a couple of decades ago? |
From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke)
| Quote: | | Duke returned to LSU, graduating in 1974. He became notorious on campus for wearing a Nazi uniform and swastika paraphernalia, and holding parties on the anniversary of the birth of Adolf Hitler. The same year as his graduation he was elected to Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| JN173 wrote: | | MrJapan wrote: | | Wasn't David Duke the Grandmaster of the KKK, or something like that, a couple of decades ago? |
From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke)
| Quote: | | Duke returned to LSU, graduating in 1974. He became notorious on campus for wearing a Nazi uniform and swastika paraphernalia, and holding parties on the anniversary of the birth of Adolf Hitler. The same year as his graduation he was elected to Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. |
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Damn, I missed it by a decade :/ But I had the same person in mind >.< |
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Ok... along these same lines.... WHY are the libs pointing to conserv's as being racist... Where does the KKK stand? What side are they on?
I see them as being more left than right... but any country would classify them as right (wing)... My personal feeling is that the right (wing) is more open than the left.
And I vaguely remember being taught in Jr. High about the parties crossing over during the first (or second) WW..... For example, Lincoln's 'Emancipation Proclomation' (sp?!?)... It was never about slavery... it was about politics... and yet they praise what he did... and yet (further) the N.E. (northeast) states are more racist than ANY southern state would want to be  (case by case... there are some from the RED states that are with us)..
Obviously, I am a racists (hollyweird)! yet, wtf am I doing in a foreign country?! I'm not taking it over... I am here to learn a different culture. They are people/human to me... same as you and me.
Anyway... I am going back to watching 'deliverance'  |
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| MrJapan wrote: | | Wasn't David Duke the Grandmaster of the KKK, or something like that, a couple of decades ago? |
Whatever the hell he was or is, Nazis were socialists and not Republicans or Democrats in the traditional sense in this country. Socialism has failed everywhere it is tried, so don't give me the garbage about Nazis being anything close to American or capitalist. They are of Euro-Socialist origin and nothing more or less. Ain't so. 
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Well, it is a public record. Anybody who cares and wants to pay the cost can see my two divorces. Oh well.
I think it is a bit nasty to publish this. They are getting divorced, they can't talk anymore. It happens. Move on and grow. That is about all we need to know. I don't care what their address is, or how much the husband wants the wife to pay him each month. Whatever.
This woman is sick and needs counselling. She is getting a truckload of crap from the lefties and they are feeding her pain to make her keep dancing to their tune.
I pity her and understand her right to protest the war. I also think she is full of crap and is dishonoring her son's memory. He was a hero, she is a nut case.
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If you don't think this woman has gone over the edge, here are some quotes from a speech she gave this past April at an anti-war event;
| Quote: | We are not waging a war on terror in this country. We’re waging a war of terror. The biggest terrorist in the world is George W. Bush
I know that George Bush and his band of neo-cons and their neo-con agenda killed my son
America has been killing people, like my sister over here says, since we first stepped on this continent, we have been responsible for death and destruction. I passed on that ******** to my son and my son enlisted. I’m going all over the country telling moms: “This country is not worth dying for.
We want our country back and, if we have to impeach everybody from George Bush down to the person who picks up dog **** in Washington, we will impeach all those people.
I just want to say that you students, Students Against War, you have all my support and all my organization’s support. I told Kristen if you have any actions and you need a ringleader, that I only live about an hour away
We are waging a nuclear war in Iraq right now. That country is contaminated. It will be contaminated for practically eternity now. |
You have to scroll down a little for her speech, but here it is in it's entirety;
Sheehan Speech
I'd like to know how we are waging a "Nuclear War" in Iraq and none of the anti-American nations out there are missing it?
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:10 am Post subject: |
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LewWaters wrote: | Quote: | | I'd like to know how we are waging a "Nuclear War" in Iraq and none of the anti-American nations out there are missing it? |
Looks like Cindy is feeling her "power" in her new job:
| Quote: | | ...you have all my support and all my organization’s support. ... if you..need a ringleader, ..I only live about an hour away. |
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