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shawa
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If the original leaker WAS an Administration official, I'm thinking Tenet.
Remember he announced his retirement in late June/03, effective July ??, I think the around the 12th.
He had to be pretty mad that the Leftists in the CIA screwed up and skewed intelligence so bad that it caused the
911 Commission to heap the blame on his agency and he had to leave under a cloud.
Then after Joe Wilson's Op/Ed blasted the President, he could have got even hotter to the point of thinking,
I'm outta here anyway, so I might as well lay bare the facts re the lying Wilson's trip. He did have the press questioning why did he pick Wilson to go to Niger.
That may be why the Judge's opinion spoke of a GRAVE CRIME.
The HEAD of the Agency outing one of his 'agents'. Maybe???
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If anyone at all in the CIA had anything to do with it, it would surprise me. Including Plame. These people, especially operatives, just don't do it. I think that it will all soon come out that since she was no longer an operative and had not been for quite a while that it was considered no big deal. No big deal to the CIA and should be no bid deal to everyone else. No conspiracies and no breaking any laws. And it will go away. Try again, dizzy Dems. And maybe Wilson should take his French and self proclaimed International skills and live elsewhere. Watch out - if a Democrat gets elected the next go round he'll be the next UN Ambassador.  |
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Uisguex Jack
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| Quote: | | If the original leaker WAS an Administration official, I'm thinking Tenet. |
Interesting twist. We are all in blatant speculation.... and this is not a bad theory.
Right now I'm leaning on Ms. Joe Wilson. Allong with her confidants at the NY Times.
Agatha Christy would say take all the possible outcomes and start definitively eliminating them and what ever is left, no matter how improbable will be the answer.
I hope we get a answer. The way the Sandy Berger thing wound up is just disgusting. |
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SBD
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The Corner National Review
According to Vanity Fair, the photo was taken at the magazine's annual dinner for the Tribeca Film Festival, and Plame's and Wilson's fellow guests included Robert deNiro, Nicole Kidman, Barry Diller, Willem Dafoe, John McEnroe, and many others. Plame's and Wilson's photo appears below a shot of David Bowie and Sean "P. Diddy" Combs. The Times also cites friends who say the privacy-protecting Plame and ambassador Wilson "have had a low-key social life."
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| shawa wrote: | If the original leaker WAS an Administration official, I'm thinking Tenet.
Remember he announced his retirement in late June/03, effective July ??, I think the around the 12th.
He had to be pretty mad that the Leftists in the CIA screwed up and skewed intelligence so bad that it caused the
911 Commission to heap the blame on his agency and he had to leave under a cloud.
Then after Joe Wilson's Op/Ed blasted the President, he could have got even hotter to the point of thinking,
I'm outta here anyway, so I might as well lay bare the facts re the lying Wilson's trip. He did have the press questioning why did he pick Wilson to go to Niger.
That may be why the Judge's opinion spoke of a GRAVE CRIME.
The HEAD of the Agency outing one of his 'agents'. Maybe??? |
Here's another piece that fits your puzzle..
http://worldtribune.com/worldtribune/bl36.html
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Let me grab a red pen and play editor for a moment. First, for Mike Isikoff of Newsweek, let's get some corporate synergy going - your very own WaPo parent reported last November that Novak's column went out on the wire on Friday, July 11, the same day that Cooper and Rove talked. Editor & Publisher also picked up on this (and both articles appeared in my still-useful timeline). Good job by Hunter at DKos for noting this:
Cooper talked to Rove at 11:07am, according to Newsweek. You can bet Fitzgerald has already determined precisely when Novak's column hit the wires.
Someone alert Josh Marshall, Kevin Drum, and David Corn to this point as well. But could Novak have tipped Rove, or someone else, as to the content of his column even before it hit the wire? (And lest you doubt the July 11 timing, a careful reading of Novak's column makes it painfully obvious that he was unaware of Tenet's climbdown on the "16 Words", which occurred later on Friday, July 11.
That would seem to me to be an extremely important bit of info. If Rove talked to Cooper AFTER the Novak column hit the wire, he could have talked about Valerie Plame as much as he liked. Once her identity is out there, covert or not, there's certainly nothing illegal or unethical about discussing it with a reporter.
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shawa
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Thanks SBD, I mentioned somewhere on one of the other threads that Novak's column went out on the wires on the Friday before it actually appeared in print on the following Monday. So it seemed to me that Novak
must have already gotten Plame's identity before talking to Rove.
I'm really thinking that after Wilson's Op/Ed created such a firestorm, that Tenet felt compelled to expose the lying b@$tard!! and told Novak just who Joe Wilson is.
I wish that he had just called a press conference and told the American people about a ROGUE BUNCH IN THE CIA (Valerie Plame et al) who are conspiring to undercut the President's efforts in the War on Terror.
Maybe by law, he couldn't do that.
Tenet oversees the CIA but its reported that he didn't know who sent Wilson to Niger. HE didn't approve it.
I'm thinking there might have been a whistleblower in the lower
ranks at CIA who talked to Judith Wilson about the cabal within the CIA, the group who are working against the President. Is that who she is protecting??
Tenet had to give testimony to the Prosecutor as did all present and former Administration officials. Maybe put the prosecutor on to this rogue CIA group who used Wilson without Tenet's approval to alter intelligence
provided to the President.
Maybe this is why Prosecutor Fitzgerald convinced the Judges that Judith Miller must be compelled to testify. That GRAVE CRIME was committed involving DANGER TO NATIONAL SECURITY.
Was Plame at the center of this CIA CABAL???
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Rdtf
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| Hmmm. So you think Judith Miller is in jail because her source is Valerie Plame? or Wilson? If Rove actually heard it from another reporter, as he is saying, then it may be Miller. |
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shawa
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Yes, I think Judith Miller was talking to Plame OR a whistleblower in the CIA who was ratting out Plame and her rogue group.
She is protecting someone who she says WILL NOT GIVE her a release to talk. That's why she is still sitting in jail.
The other reporters are covered by the blanket waiver that Rove's lawyers gave them and those reporters have testified as to who in the White House they talked to.
Miller is still in jail because HER source won't give her a release, and I'm thinking THAT SOURCE is the one the Prosecutor and the Judge are targeting!! There is no GRAVE CRIME by Karl Rove but there could be GRAVE CRIME in the CIA (treason-GRAVE, espionage-GRAVE).
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hmminCanada
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:33 pm Post subject: Plame Name Game |
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Over the last few days Free Republic has been absolutely red hot with research on the Wilson affair. So much has been posted it is almost impossible to keep up with it. Some of these threads were begun a year ago but have been updated in the last few days. Some of them most people won’t see—I found them because there are certain posters that I have kept tuned into since last year during the election campaign. The information certainly points to a much deeper, far-reaching (like international) scandal than the media would ever want released to the public. And Wilson and his wife are right in the middle of it and very much involved in the genesis of it and the propaganda surrounding it.
Here are some of the links. I can’t activate them but maybe someone else can. There’s a lot to read but it is amazing research not only in the opening post but in the responses also.
What Wilson Didn’t Say about Africa
http://www.freerepublic.com/f-focus/news/1296475/posts
Joseph Wilson, Niger, Uranium and Bush’s Famous Sixteen Words: Evolution of a Confused Story (*Very insightful article)
http://www.freerepublic.com/f-backroom/1119030/posts
Set Up? Anatomy of Contrived Wilson “Scandal”
http://www.freerepublic.com/f-focus/news/993741/posts
Actually all three of these are very insightful and give an interesting outline of how this all developed with thanks to certain key members of the media.
There’s also a post of Mark Levin’s article: Valerie’s No Victim--Plame Put Herself into a Political Place. It’s # 1445325 and Jack Kelly has a follow-up article out today at # 1445072: The Bigger Picture. Perhaps someone would like to post it here too.
I am just overwhelmed with all this information. One thing that really bothers me about the Wilson revival is that every MSM article/report that I have seen identifies the lying Mr. Wilson by saying that he was attacked because he made claims that disagreed with the State of the Union Address and accused Bush and the administration of lying about Iraq seeking to buy the uranium. They do not include that this was discredited by the Senate Intelligence Committee report. So basically they are just fanning the “Bush lied” flame again to the vast majority of people who are only minimally tuned in to what is going on. I think this underlies why they keep the story going.
Isn’t amazing that most of those people both in the US and internationally who believe that Bush and Blair lied have come to that opinion based on a piece of ____ based on the lies that originated with this pair? Just think of the damage that has been caused around the world by all of this!
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shawa
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Wow!! I just posted a story from American Thinker about the rogue CIA.
Here's what if.
Supposing that the CIA can't do a wholesale firing of this rogue group because you know that would bring on a firestorm from the left and the ACLU. But this group is doing things really dangerous to our national security.
FYI, it was the CIA that asked the Justice Dept. to appoint a Special Prosecutor to examine the Plame Name leak.
What if what CIA DIRECTOR PORTER GOSS really wants is indictments and prosecution of this rogue group.
The ACLU would have a hard time defending them if they are INDICTED for acts endangering our National Security or whatever!!
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shawa
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HMMM! RUMORS IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT JUDITH MILLER'S SOURCE IS PLAME??
The conclusion I was figuring back in July?? Are the puzzle pieces coming together??
From today's FINANCIAL TIMES:
| Quote: | A new wrinkle in the Plame affair?
Published: August 30 2005 03:00
An intriguing new theory has emerged in the case of Valerie Plame, the outed CIA operative.
The mainstream media has focused on Karl Rove, President Bush's chief political guru, as the source of the original story identifying Plame. The alleged motive was revenge against former ambassador Joseph Wilson, Plame's husband, an outspoken critic of the Iraq war.
Observer now hears a new angle on the story is circulating inside the Justice Department.
It involves Judith Miller, the veteran New York Times reporter currently languishing in a Virginia jail for refusing to reveal her source(s) in the Plame affair.
Many have assumed that Miller - who never actually wrote a story identifying Plame as an operative - is protecting Rove and/or other administration officials. But the missing link is that Miller is not a political reporter, but rather an investigative journalist who co-wrote a book on America's secret war against biological weapons and later published controversial articles on Iraq's effort to acquire weapons of mass destruction.
Now here's the twist: Plame herself is a CIA operative who also specialised in weapons of mass destruction and bio-terrorism. So did Miller get to know Plame while she was writing her book or even use her as a source for other WMD stories? Despite 56 days' imprisonment and a vociferous campaign to release her - Miller is staying mum.
But at some point, surely, the truth will come out. |
Is the Prosecutor going to nail Plame??
Last month on this thread, I posted my theory:
| Quote: | [shawa] Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:44 am Post subject:
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Rdtf, What I'm thinking is it's not Wilson, he's just a media-hound boob married to a spy who leaks CIA confidential info.
It's Plame the prosecutor is after.
I found it very unusual that the judge who WANTED to institute reporter's shield laws ruled against Miller and ordered her to testify or go to jail.
There's gotta be something huge here.
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Tatel actually found that reason and experience “support recognition of a privilege for reporters’ confidential sources.” But Tatel still ordered Cooper and Miller to testify because he found that the privilege had to give way to “the gravity of the suspected crime.”
Judge Tatel’s opinion has eight blank pages in the middle of it where he discusses the secret information the prosecutor has supplied only to the judges to convince them that the testimony he is demanding is worth sending reporters to jail to get. The gravity of the suspected crime is presumably very well developed in those redacted pages. Later, Tatel refers to “having carefully scrutinized the prosecutor’s voluminous classified filings.”
Some of us have theorized that the prosecutor may have given up the leak case in favor of a perjury case, but Tatel still refers to it simply as a case “which involves the alleged exposure of a covert agent.” Tatel wrote a 41-page opinion in which he seemed eager to make new law -- a federal reporters’ shield law -- but in the end, he couldn’t bring himself to do it in this particular case. In his final paragraph, he says he “might have” let Cooper and Miller off the hook “[w]ere the leak at issue in this case less harmful to national security.”
Tatel’s colleagues are at least as impressed with the prosecutor’s secret filings as he is. One simply said “Special Counsel’s showing decides the case.”
All the judges who have seen the prosecutor’s secret evidence firmly believe he is pursuing a very serious crime, and they have done everything they can to help him get an indictment.
I'm thinking the prosecutor suspects Plame is a mole in the CIA who has been leaking classified information not only to Judith Miller but to our enemies. We know she's a leftist and anti-war. Maybe a traitor??
Look at the language used here--gravity of the crime; were the leak less harmful to national security!
In today's world leaks are common, they get a few words of condemnation, but are quickly forgotten about. Senators do it all the time, but no prosecutions follow. Secret memos and covert operations are blurtrd out, Leahy, Kerry. No big deal?
This prosecutor is after a much bigger charge. A grave crime, harmful to national security! 8 redacted pages of secret information supplied only to the judges, the gravity of the crime very well developed in those 8 pages, VOLUMINOUS CLASSIFIED FILINGS!!
Sure is far-fetched, but I sure am interested in what may develop.
Remembered posting this John Podheretz piece on another thread:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/05_07_10_corner-archive.asp#069334
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Fitzgerald already has a major bone to pick with Miller. He believes she materially and dangerously impeded his investigation into a terrorist-financing scheme run by the Holy Land Foundation.
When Miller found out that Fitzgerald was on the verge of indicting Holy Land, she called the Foundation for comment -- and right after her call Fitzgerald believes the Foundation may have commenced a shredding party that ensured prosecutors would find little paperwork to go on when they raided the Holy Land offices.
As the Washington Post put it, "On Dec. 3, 2001, Times reporter Judith Miller telephoned officials with the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, a Texas-based charity accused of being a front for Palestinian terrorists, and asked for a comment about what she said was the government's probable crackdown on the group. U.S. officials said this conversation and Miller's article on the subject in the Times on Dec. 4 increased the likelihood that the foundation destroyed or hid records before a hastily organized raid by agents that day."
Fitzgerald sought her phone records on that occasion to uncover the source of a potential leak in his own office and was blocked by a liberal New York judge named Robert Sweet. Miller didn't get so lucky this time. Fitzgerald thinks Miller has a loose tongue, and for good reason. It's possible he's trying to figure out what other mischief her loose tongue might have caused.[/i]
Maybe he has found a connection between Miller and Plame??
Remember what the Prosecutor submiitted to the Circuit Judge--secret information supplied only to the judges, the gravity of the crime very well developed in those 8 pages, voluminous CLASSIFIED filings!
There's also another story somewhere that mentions Plame may have been outed by Aldrich Ames back in the nineties. Maybe he turned her and she became a counterspy.
Lots of speculation on my part, but I love figuring out the pieces to a puzzle!
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