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Uisguex Jack
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 Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: NY Times article on Inter Islamic strife |
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Over and over again we are told the Koran is the direct word of God, Islam is a religion of peace and the West is Islamic phobic and has wrought the wrath of Islamic terrorists by our own evil doings.
The thing is 'long ago and far away', suicide bombing was not a popular cultural phenomenon among Muslims. In order to get a volunteer to blow himself up in the 70's and 80's one frequently found his entire family threatened with the extortion of certain annihilation. This is to say some one walks up to you and makes you the proverbial 'offer you can't refuse'.
Either you do as we say or we eliminate your entire family. This strategy combined with the systematic piecemeal assassination of Christians in Lebanon, Albania, Kosovo.... and now much of Africa, tends to have a influence on migration in these regions.
Over the years this was done so many times that a culture of 'suicide bombers' has come into being. Now you don't have to threaten someone all you have to do is find some one who has led such a sinful life that you can easily convince him the only way not to spend eternity in hell is to spend it in Heaven as a Martyr... This a very dangerous and powerful tool when recruiting in U.S. prisons.
Christians tend to move away from places where there own kind are getting killed for being Christian. Afterwards the region, where ever it be, becomes the land of Mohammad, prophet of peace.
There is said to be only one, un altered version of the Koran... So much of these realities are steeped in mendacity.
The Koran for example had many variant versions until the
Caliphate of Uthman 644-656. | Quote: | | "...Abdallah ibn-Masud, Mohammed's secretary, announced publicly that the canonical version of the Quran as revised by Uthman was a monstrous falsification. Unfortunately since Uthman gave orders that all the copies of the Quean in the provincial libraries should be publicly burned and since he took possession of the copies belonging to Mohammed's family and destroyed them, his version is the only one surviving today." |
"The History of Islam", Robert Payne, author, Dorset Press. copyright 1959, renewed 1987, republished 1990.
Recently a youngster considering converting to Islam was asking me questions about what was true and false about the religion. My main point was that Islam has so many sects and so much of what each on believes is contradictory to the others that the 'ummah' or Caliphate they hoped to bring back into existence had some big problems.
The only thing the radicals agree on is their dislike of the West and a particularly vitriolic view of Jews.... When they aren't busy killing us they are busy killing each other.....
Consider as a side line cogent to nothing just how many people are killed each year from stray bullets being fired in the air at Muslim weddings in the Mid East.
Today the Ny Times actually has printed some news.... a very good article on how and why no one speaks up from within the Muslim community, no one speaks up about the many, many things the terrorists do which is completely contrary to all tenants of Islam in all the variant sects. They don't speak up cause they don't want to get killed. |
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NYTimes article that Jack refers to ( subscription required)
was a good read, re moderate Muslims trying to be heard. too long to post-- some snips
| Quote: | February 22, 2006
Furor Over Cartoons Pits Muslim Against Muslim
By MICHAEL SLACKMAN and HASSAN M. FATTAH
AMMAN, Jordan, Feb. 21 — In a direct challenge to the international uproar over cartoons lampooning the Prophet Muhammad, the Jordanian journalist Jihad Momani wrote: "What brings more prejudice against Islam, these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras, or a suicide bomber who blows himself up during a wedding ceremony?"
In Yemen, an editorial by Muhammad al-Assadi condemned the cartoons but also lamented the way many Muslims reacted. "Muslims had an opportunity to educate the world about the merits of the Prophet Muhammad and the peacefulness of the religion he had come with," Mr. Assadi wrote. He added, "Muslims know how to lose, better than how to use, opportunities."
To illustrate their points, both editors published selections of the drawings — and for that they were arrested and threatened with prison.
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But it has also underscored a political struggle involving emerging Islamic movements, like Hamas in Gaza and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and Arab governments unsure of how to contain them.
"This has become a game between two sides, the extremists and the government," said Tawakkul Karman, head of Women Journalists Without Constraints in Sana, Yemen. "They've made it so that if you stand up in this tidal wave, you have to face 1.5 billion Muslims."
The heated emotions, the violence surrounding protests and the arrests have sent a chill through people, mostly writers, who want to express ideas contrary to the prevailing sentiment. It has threatened those who contend that Islamic groups have manipulated the public to show their strength, and that governments have used the cartoons to establish their religious credentials.
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In the end, political analysts around the region say that governments have resorted to the very practices that helped the rise of Islamic political forces in the first place. They have placated the more extreme voices while arresting and silencing more moderate ones.
Jihad Khazen, a columnist for the pan-Arab newspaper Al Hayat, said: "The Islamists wanted to prove their strength. The government replied in kind, saying that we are all Muslims and we care about our religion, and I think the truth was trampled on in the process."
In Jordan, King Abdullah II, who has been trying to control the most extreme religious forces in the region, came out with such a powerful condemnation of Shihan, the newspaper Mr. Momani edited, that even some of his allies were taken aback.
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From the beginning, Mr. Momani felt the cartoon issue was being manipulated by Islamic groups eager to flex their muscles, and he asked his readers to consider why the protests began so many months after publication. He says he did not expect such a backlash, but that in hindsight, he understands why the authorities acted as they did.
"They wanted to show the Islamic movement that they are the defenders of the prophet" Mr. Momani said in an interview. "They used me."
Mr. Momani expressed exasperation when asked why he printed the cartoons. He insisted that it was the work of journalists to inform, and that he did so after speaking to many people who were outraged without ever seeing the cartoons.
"I am telling my people, 'Be rational, think before you go into the streets,' " he said. "Who harms Islam more? This European guy who paints Muhammad or the real Muslim guy who cuts a hostage's head off and says, 'Allah-u akbar?' Who insults our religion, this guy or the European guy?"
Michael Slackman reported from Amman for this article, and Hassan M. Fattah from Sana, Yemen. Mona el-Naggar contributed reporting from Cairo. |
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