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Uisguex Jack
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This is something I've been pondering for quite some time.
What construct can be devised where a 'reformation' could occur without the reformers immediately being murdered for insulting the more unenlightened factions.
This whole damn war (in my humble bigoted opinion)... is the rest of the world having to suffer the growing pains of Islam. Islam coming into the modern- global world. The rest of the world suffered under the growing pains of Christianity as well, but today the issues of WMD's and asymmetrical warfare don't leave a lot of room for messing around.
A simple domestic airlines flight can be turned into a bit of ordinance as powerful as a tactical nuclear weapon.
And a MTV awards show can present blasphemic sexual content into the homes of the devout by the billions.
I'm all for more cartoons. |
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BuffaloJack
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There can never be a reform because that eventuality was foreseen, considered and forbidden within the text of moslem's koran. Any attempt at reform would be against their holy book teachings.
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LimaCharlie
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The same issues with Arabs today have been used and are being used against Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Native Americans, Asians, Latinos, etc. around the world. “They don’t worship OUR God and they can’t be trusted.”
Fortunately, our founding fathers were very brilliant coming up with the Constitution of the United States. They included Freedom of (from) Religion as a basic right. The U.S. was founded by people rejected and persecuted because of their religious views by a State supported religion. They didn’t want it repeated here. The U.S. was not founded as a Christian nation, it was founded as a religious neutral nation based on freedom. In my twenty-two years of military service, I fought for freedom. I did not fight for my religion.
It is OK to be against someone trying to kill you because of their religion. It is not OK to be against someone based on their religion.
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dusty
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baldeagle, I think they already have.
www.alislam.org
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shawa
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Uisguex Jack said
| Quote: | | This whole damn war (in my humble bigoted opinion)... is the rest of the world having to suffer the growing pains of Islam. Islam coming into the modern- global world. |
A truly courageous lady, Dr. Wafa Sultan echoes your sentiments.
"I have no fear," she said. "I believe in my message. It is like a million-mile journey, and I believe I have walked the first and hardest 10 miles."
Read her compelling story, it's a two pager but well worth the read.
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| Quote: | Dr. Sultan said the world was not witnessing a clash of religions or cultures, but a battle between modernity and barbarism, a battle that the forces of violent, reactionary Islam are destined to lose.
In response, clerics throughout the Muslim world have condemned her, and her telephone answering machine has filled with dark threats. But Islamic reformers have praised her for saying out loud, in Arabic and on the most widely seen television network in the Arab world, what few Muslims dare to say even in private.
"I believe our people are hostages to our own beliefs and teachings," she said in an interview this week in her home in a Los Angeles suburb.
Dr. Sultan, who is 47, wears a prim sweater and skirt, with fleece-lined slippers and heavy stockings. Her eyes and hair are jet black and her modest manner belies her intense words: "Knowledge has released me from this backward thinking. Somebody has to help free the Muslim people from these wrong beliefs."
Perhaps her most provocative words on Al Jazeera were those comparing how the Jews and Muslims have reacted to adversity. Speaking of the Holocaust, she said, "The Jews have come from the tragedy and forced the world to respect them, with their knowledge, not with their terror; with their work, not with their crying and yelling."
She went on, "We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church. We have not seen a single Jew protest by killing people."
She concluded, "Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people and destroying embassies. This path will not yield any results. The Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for humankind, before they demand that humankind respect them."
Her views caught the ear of the American Jewish Congress, which has invited her to speak in May at a conference in Israel. "We have been discussing with her the importance of her message and trying to devise the right venue for her to address Jewish leaders," said Neil B. Goldstein, executive director of the organization.
She is probably more welcome in Tel Aviv than she would be in Damascus. Shortly after the broadcast, clerics in Syria denounced her as an infidel. One said she had done Islam more damage than the Danish cartoons mocking the Prophet Muhammad, a wire service reported.
DR. SULTAN is "working on a book that — if it is published — it's going to turn the Islamic world upside down."
"I have reached the point that doesn't allow any U-turn. I have no choice. I am questioning every single teaching of our holy book."
The working title is, "The Escaped Prisoner.........(cont'd)
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