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Stevie

that the swiftboat vets said about Kerry that isn't true?
the last I remember he was 'researching' it...then came back and made
a comment that led me to believe he didn't believe the sbtvets...

and one know what he thought he 'found' out?

I always figured his 'research' was the guy who wrote Kerry's bio....
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Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
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be arrested, exiled or hanged.

Me#1You#10 · Site Admin Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 6503

As I recall, BOR staked his position on "...that swift boat thing" early on and any change from that initial position would have mandated an acknowledgement of error or perhaps even (shudder) ignorance. He was also in hot pursuit of a Kerry interview which, to this day and despite several scheduled appearances, has never come to fruition.

So much for his calculated posturing and going into the tank for Kerry whose exposure to non-scripted media "inquiries" has been nil.

Someone should ask BOR about "negotiations" surrounding each tentative Kerry appearance...it would probably fill a most interesting book.

By the way, I'm curious as to what prompted your inquiry. I removed BOR from my view quite some time ago. Has he been commenting on SVPT recently? Perhaps he has another shot at a Kerry interview.

Stevie · Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:03 pm Post subject:

BOR recently had an interview w/ Kerry. I missed it tho...figures!
I watch him on and off (watching the enemy... ). Laughing

sometimes he'll have something good on... but I sure can't believe everything he says - even after 'research' anymore.

He is taking questions on monday... you can submit them by email.
not that he'll choose / answer mine anyway...

I often email him and ask what he ever found out in his 'research' and
if he is going to tell us - since he 'is watching out for the people' !!!

so far as I know, he hasn't. might have on a day I didn't watch tho...
but then, you'd think he'd email me (right) to shut me up!

maybe a bunch of us should email the question in to him?
tho, I really think he needs to do it on air when he has John O on also.
As, I'm sure anything he thinks he 'found out' is wrong.
I did a ton of 'research' myself .... some here with ya'll but I did
look up the docs etc myself and read them. So far I haven't found
anything proving the swiftees wrong or read anything here saying
anything was proven wrong.

I get tired of reading the sbvets were 'discredited'. They weren't so
far as I know. And if Bor is putting that out there, I t hink he should
explain it. PUt it out there for all to know... and discredit him.

He had Mark Halperin on the other night.... no mention of his
connection w/ Soros (his brother, dad). You'd have thought Halperin
was a fair and balanced person running a fair and balanced political
news dept ! ugh.
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Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should
be arrested, exiled or hanged.

Stevie · Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject:

the way my last email from bor is worded, I think the questions are
for his new book Culture Warrior. probably won't take other questions.

not sure why he is still emailing me. I stopped my 'newsletter'
thing yrs ago...
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Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should
be arrested, exiled or hanged.

Anker-Klanker · Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject:

Stevie, for what it's worth and if I remember the chain of events correctly...

One night during the 04 campaign, BOR did announce that "he" was going to research the SBVFT claims against Kerry. Then one or two nights later, he disclosed that he had assigned that research task to Chris Wallace, and put Wallace on to relate what he found out. It was abundantly clear at the time that Chris Wallace had only done the most superficial of investigations. Basically, I thought, he went off and checked the MSM news reports and maybe, just maybe, did a quick cursory glance at "Unfit for Command." It seemed to me that since he found that Kerry's medals were not fakes (i.e., they had all officially been awarded by the Navy), and that there as many counter claims (he apparently made no attempt at research to verify if they were valid) to the SBVFT charges as there were charges, he effectively "gave up," and declared, in effect and if I recall correctly, that "it was all confusing and that there was no clear merit to the SBVFT charges" (or some words to that effect). From that point on in the campaign, BOR has stated that the SBVFT charges were "without merit." To my knowledge, he has not re-looked at the subject since, or changed his assessment.

If it's helpful, recall that this approximately at the time that BOR, himself, had been accused of a sexual scandal, and since that date, BOR has consistently been on an on-air tear and taken the side of any celebrity against "smear mongers."

BOR often claims that "he" has done research on such-and-such an issue, when it is apparent from follow-up questions and interviews his vaunted research is usually only the most superficial kind, or else that BOR really didn't understand the results of the research. Only a couple of nights ago, he showed clearly his lack of research or his understanding of the issues when the Michael J. Fox uproar was first aired - it was crystal clear to me that BOR did not understand the difference in embryonic and adult stem cell research, nor did he understand what the Missouri ammendment (involving cloning of embryonic stem cells) was about. But he went overboard in defending poor MJ Fox from nasty attacks from Rush Limbaugh. i.e., this really was a Kerry-SBVFT moment redux!

Just relating what I remember and how I tried to objectively interpret it... If anyone remembers differently, or interprets the events differently, please jump in...

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streetsweeper95B · PO2 Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 365 Location: Texas

As I recall, not to long after the elections, BOR had Steve Gardner on his show & made a pretty hard pitch to the public for assistance in getting him back to work somewhere.

Maybe it's just my imagination?

Anyone got the interview with Steve stashed somewhere??
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Stevie · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:55 am Post subject:

ak- thanks ! I vaguely remember that show w/ Wallace! that was supposed to be the deep researched info on it? geeze ! I remember it being rather
superficial (sp?). He basically waved off docs from the sbvt rep backing
up their point etc.
I think Wallace is a fluff usually on all of his shows...
(well, the ones I've watched anyway)

way to go BOR - really 'looking out' for the people !!!! Shocked

ME: is the interview on 'youtube' ? I'll check it out...

as for Steve - yes, I remember BOR having him on after he lost his
job... anyone know if Steve is doing ok now? bor does something
good now and again. I quit watching him on a regular basis after his
comment about the sbvts info being baseless... which was after him
saying they'd do research etc... I figured he used Doug Brinkly (?)
for his research since he had him on numerous times and would
say how knowledgable he was in history / military facts.
I'd gag...
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Stevie
Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should
be arrested, exiled or hanged.

Theresa Alwood · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:25 am Post subject:

Like most of us who were quite active back then if I remember a lot of us were zapping e-mails to BOR....and like most...I have not watched BOR since he dismissed the Swiftvets...so I guess I could not tell you what happened after. I just refuse to watch someone who was so quick to defend Kerry and so quick to judge. I would much rather trust any real veteral to a political activist as Kerry.
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LewWaters · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:29 am Post subject:

O'Reilly is too full of himself to count for much, any longer. He's a play actor who swishes back and forth for his own self aggrandizment.

He, like McPain, automatically condemned the Swifties before even seeing what they had to say or why.

The Swift Vets for Truth are the first true grassroots movement I have really seen in my lifetime and for their efforts, they were vilified and besmirched.

Still, their efforts kept a traitor out of the White House.

O'Reilly wishes he had a fraction of the impact the Swifties did. First, he would have to hold true to some real values.
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Stevie · Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:29 am Post subject:

I've still been emailing him every so often about it... forgot that Wallace did the research / show. that totally flew out of my brain...

now that it's back in... I'm gonna email him again and tell him that the
wallace show was nothing but fluff and if he were looking out for the'people' rather than himself, he'd have done the show w/ John O on it....

instead of ..... hiding under his desk ! Laughing

the chicken liver - he was just afraid it'd keep Kerry off of his show !
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Stevie
Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should
be arrested, exiled or hanged.

Theresa Alwood · Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:38 am Post subject:

Remember to make it pithy!!! Very Happy

It does not make a difference. BOR is a hasbeen! He will never regain the ratings because it is people like me who used to listen, but now refuse to cuz he just ticked me off my dismissing the swifties!
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integritycounts · Rear Admiral Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 667

Oreilly has a lot of virtues....but when it comes to Kerry...nothing.
Why?
Because Oreilly has a personal friendship with Kerry....and because of that he softballs Kerry.

Even though BOR staff confirmed that Kerry lied on the Floor of the Senate about his Cambodia Christmas.....even with that lie. BOR can not attack his friend.

Its as simple as that

Stevie · Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:20 am Post subject:

oh yeah....I'll keep it pthy! Laughing

integrity.... that's true. he mentioned tonight that he's know him for yrs and yrs...; you don't say it that way when you've only 'known OF' someone for yrs and yrs.
shoot... he said he was friends w/ Dave L the other night... I wasn't sure whether or not to believe him ... then tonight he says Dave doesn't like him.

guess he won't be going there for Thanksgiving dinner then....

someone sent in a letter about bor's view on swiftboatvets.... check it out on rerun.

I watch him usually ... in parts... just checking on the enemy...
just like I watched a few minutes of Lous Dobbs this a.m. (ooooh man, that is
so hard for me to do! )

anyone see Mark Halperin on bor last week?
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Stevie
Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should
be arrested, exiled or hanged.