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 Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:23 am Post subject: Support The Haditha Marines- $$$ Talk, BS walks. |
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Forwarded from: http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm
Announcing the Haditha Marines Defense Fund
DefendOurMarines | January 6, 2006 | David Allender
There is now a Defense Fund established for the Haditha Marines. To aid the civilian defense of the eight accused, send donations to:
Marine Iraq Legal Defense Fund, Inc.
c/o Judge Victor Ramirez
P.O. Box 1255
Solana Beach, CA 92075
Your donation can be earmarked to one of the accused or to all of the Haditha Marines who stand trial. Write your preference on the memo line of the check.
You can find out more about Judge Victor Ramirez (the fund's principle administrator) at http://www.judgeramirezforcongress.com/. This is the same group who raised money for the "Pendleton 8".
The media, politicians, and the government lawyers are all demanding convictions to "send a message". The media hates the war. The Rats hate President Bush. Military lawyers want greater control over men in combat. The eight accused are caught up in these power games and have precious little on their side. I hope you'll consider helping.
This message forwarded by: http://TroopsSupport.com
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A cameraman working for Reuters in Haditha says bodies had been left lying in the street for hours after the attack.
Reuters camerman, Reuters Story, and no mention of Massacre. Maybe reuters has blind cameramen?? Do they really expect us to believe that Reuters withheld a story like this for 8 months when they has a cameraman right there during the supposed massacre?
The media really has no shame.
| Quote: | Reuters Cameraman in Haditha-No Mention of Massacre
ABC News Online Australia ^ | November 20, 2005 | Reuters
Posted on 06/07/2006 10:58:33 PM PDT by SBD1
US details Haditha shoot-out
A roadside bomb that killed a US Marine in the restive town of Haditha on Saturday also killed 15 Iraqi civilians and led to intense clashes with insurgents.
The powerful bomb detonated as a US military convoy was passing through the town, which is 220 kilometres north-west of Baghdad.
The US military says immediately after the blast, gunmen opened fire on the convoy.
US and Iraqi soldiers returned fire, killing eight insurgents and wounding another in a firefight.
A cameraman working for Reuters in Haditha says bodies had been left lying in the street for hours after the attack.
He says the town has been virtually shut down for the past two days as US and Iraqi forces try to impose order.
US troops have been trying for months to quell the insurgency in Haditha and other Sunni Arab towns on the Euphrates.
It was suspected several months ago that Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was hiding out in the area.
The casualties from Saturday's blast raised the death toll from attacks across Iraq over the past three days to at least 166.
Sunni-led insurgents are stepping up their battle against US and Iraqi forces ahead of parliamentary elections in December.
- Reuters |
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| SBD wrote: | A cameraman working for Reuters in Haditha says bodies had been left lying in the street for hours after the attack.
Reuters camerman, Reuters Story, and no mention of Massacre. Maybe reuters has blind cameramen?? Do they really expect us to believe that Reuters withheld a story like this for 8 months when they has a cameraman right there during the supposed massacre?
The media really has no shame. |
The bias of Reuters is well established, but I see nothing in this story to suggest that the Reuters photographer was present during the incident.
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I don't understand your response. The story was published the day after the incident. It says a cameraman who works for reuters in Haditha said that bodies had been left lying in the street for hours after the attack.
Bodies in the street matches the Marines story. The bodies can't be lying in the street and dead inside the Iraqi homes at the same time. Working for Reuters in Haditha means he is in Haditha. It makes no difference if he actually saw what happened while it was happening. He says he saw the bodies in the street hours later which matches the Marines story.
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There was an insurgent propaganda center in Haditha.
| Quote: | Marine Corps Times October 24, 2005 Monday SECTION: FAST TRACK; Pg. 9 LENGTH: 632 words
HEADLINE: Around the Corps
BODY: Iraq RCT--2 links car bomb to video evidence Members of Regimental Combat Team 2 found a video camera in the possession of three men stopped at a vehicle checkpoint northeast of Haditha, Iraq, on Oct. 12, according to a 2nd Marine Division news release. Minutes later, a similar white, four--door sedan approached the checkpoint. U.S. forces guarding the checkpoint used hand and arm gestures to signal the vehicle to stop, but the car continued to accelerate toward the checkpoint, even after warning shots were fired, according to the release. The vehicle detonated shortly after the first shots were fired, killing the driver.
When the video camera was inspected, it yielded several minutes of footage showing one of the men from the first sedan speaking to the driver of the car that detonated. The Marines said videotaping suicide car bombings is an insurgent propaganda tactic used to spread fear and intimidate Iraqi citizens. Earlier, Iraqi Security Forces discovered an insurgent propaganda center in Haditha. The site raided by Iraqi forces included "numerous prepared al--Qaida in Iraq compact discs and audio tapes, three computers, several printers, banner makers, multi--disk copiers and thousands of [blank] disks and tapes," according to an Oct. 10 Stars and Stripes newspaper report. |
We were winning over the people, so those who do not want the US to win had to do something.
| Quote: | US Department of Defense Information October 27, 2005 SECTION: DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE U.S. MARINE CORPS NEWS LENGTH: 592 words
HEADLINE: Civil affairs impacts Haditha
BYLINE: Cpl. Adam C. Schnell
TEXT: HADITHA, Iraq (Oct. 28, 2005) ---- Seven members of 6th Civil Affairs Group, Detachment 3, Team 5 spend each day here helping rebuild a war--torn city so people can live normal lives again. As the Marines of 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment continue to clear the city of roadside bombs and any remaining insurgent operations, the Marines and interpreter of civil affairs talk with citizens and work on projects to restore their city. Detachment 3, which is comprised of more than 30 Marines, works throughout the Al Anbar Province helping the Iraqi local governments legitimize themselves and also assist the Iraqi people with civil--military operations. These operations include working with local engineers and contractors to repair the city's infrastructure.
Currently, the members of Team 5 are working with residents in the former insurgent--controlled city repairing water pipes, a hospital and creating employment for the people. With the upcoming elections, the team is also on hand to assist the Iraqi people with security needs during the elections if requested.
"We are supposed to be completely hands off, but available if they want help organizing or providing security for it," said Sgt. Michael T. Lamoureux, a Santa Ana, Calif. native and civil affairs team noncommissioned officer for the detachment. Lamoureux added that after the insurgency in Haditha scared off local tribal, religious and political leaders months ago, the team is attempting to find and bring back the leaders, letting them know that Marines are working in the city.
"We talk with local leaders to find out their needs and concerns," said Lamoureux. "They are really the voice of the people."
Meeting with the leaders and talking with other people in the city also brought up other concerns that the team is trying to address. One such concern is just being able to go to work each day, something that most people around the world take for granted.
"The dam manager let us know his workers couldn't get to work some days, so we arranged buses to bring them to the dam," said Sgt. Ronald R. Roberson Jr., a Greensboro, N.C., native and the team's chief. "We are also helping the dam workers get parts for the dam so they can keep things operating there."
Before arriving to Iraq to provide civil affairs support, the team went through months of training to learn about the religion, culture, history and language of Iraq. The Marines were also put through training that dealt with certain situations they would encounter while in Iraq. Even with extensive training, being able to assist the people here can be a problem due to the language barrier. Alleviating this problem is the team's interpreter, Sam Nseir, who acts as the voice of the team.
"Having an interpreter is a huge asset, without Sam we wouldn't be able to do any of this," commented Roberson. "The people really like him and he lets us know how people feel about us being here."
According to Nseir, most people in the communities here are happy to see the Marines in the city and the insurgents gone. As each day passes, the people become more used to the Marines patrolling the streets and feel they can go on with their daily lives.
"They are still a little uneasy about us," commented Roberson. "So each time we go out, we bring soccer balls, toys and candy to give to the children." Roberson continued, "Spending time talking with the kids is also the most rewarding part of the job out here."
Submitted by: 2nd Marine Division Story Identification #: 20051027234723 LOAD--DATE: October 28, 2005 |
It appears that there were a lot of Iraqi soldiers working side by side with the Marines which was also reported in the Reuters Cameraman Story.
| Quote: | TEXT: HADITHA, Iraq (Oct. 28, 2005) US Department of Defense Information
October 27, 2005
SECTION: DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE U.S. MARINE CORPS NEWS
LENGTH: 493 words
HEADLINE: Iraqi commander visits Marines and Iraqi soldiers in Haditha
BYLINE: Cpl. Adam C. Schnell
TEXT: HADITHA, Iraq (Oct. 28, 2005) ---- The commander of Iraqi ground forces met with the Iraqi troops and leaders of 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, here Oct. 12 to discuss joint successes during Operation River Gate. Lieutenant General Abdul Qader, the commander of all Iraqi infantry forces, stepped off a helicopter in the city of Haditha with a mission to talk with leaders and spend time with troops in the area. After arriving, he met with Lt. Col. Jeffrey R. Chessani, commanding officer of 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines, and other Marine leaders to talk about the recent operation and other issues within the city. Qader's biggest concern was how the people dealt with having the Marines inside the city.
"Even though the city isn't back to normal yet, the Marines always tell them they can come out of their homes and live normal lives," commented Chessani, a Meeker, Colo., native.
The Iraqi commander then learned of the many successes the Iraqi soldiers had had while working with Marines during the recent operation. The commander was briefed on their success in everything from finding weapons caches to detaining suspected insurgent operatives.
"He told us we were doing a great job capturing bad guys and weapons in Haditha," said Lt. Col. Mahdi, a company commander of Iraqi troops in the area. "It was also nice to see him and it showed the troops he cares about them."
Being successful in places like Haditha is not a new thing for many of the Iraqi soldiers stationed here. Most of them fought alongside the Marines of 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines in Fallujah.
"My troops have been all over the country working with Marines," commented Mahdi. "In places like Fallujah, Najaf, and Abu Ghrayb."
While in the area, Chessani and other Marines escorted the Iraqi general to areas in the city where Iraqi troops were stationed alongside Marines. As he visited one company of Iraqi infantrymen, his troops conducted a welcome dance.
"He was coming from South Iraq, so it is tradition that the troops welcome him with singing and dancing," said Mahdi. "It is a traditional song that excites the troops and lets the general know that we are here and ready to fight."
After taking time with troops, the Iraqi commander sat down with leaders of both the Marines and Iraqi troops in Haditha. The meeting consisted of the planning and coordination for the future of the Iraqi troops.
"I let him know the troops here are strong but needed supplies like food, parts for the vehicles and other equipment," commented Mahdi.
Before he left, the troops were given advice by their commander for the upcoming days as they occupy the former insurgency--controlled city.
"He told us to be careful and not trust the streets as they become busier," commented Mahdi. "He also told us that the people here are good people and that we should help them anyway we can."
Submitted by: 2nd Marine Division Story Identification #: 20051027235024 |
A person who worked for Iraqi TV was murdered just 2 weeks before the Hadithi story was published. The official had the same last name as the alleged massacre victims in Hadithi. Was he related? Did he provide any of the film or photos used in the massacre alligation? Maybe he had footage to prove the contrary, but more than likely he had access to enough footage from Iraq to manufacture the evidence.
| Quote: | Xinhua General News Service
March 11, 2006 Saturday 4:00 AM EST
SECTION: WORLD NEWS; Political
LENGTH: 101 words
HEADLINE: Gunmen kill senior TV official in Baghdad
DATELINE: BAGHDAD
BODY: Unknown gunmen ambushed the car of the director in the government-backed Iraqia TV in western Baghdad on Saturday, a police source told Xinhua.
"Unidentified armed men shot dead Amjad hamid Hassan, director of Iraqiya TV, near the al-Shurta tunnel," Captain Ahmed Abdullah from Baghdad police said.
He added that the attack took place at about 10:30 a.m. (0730 GMT).
Iraqi security forces cordoned off the scene and an ambulance reached to evacuate the victims.
The Iraqiya TV cut its regular programs and announced the news and started broadcasting holly Quran following the incident.
LOAD-DATE: March 12, 2006 |
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lovely debate? anyone donate?
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BS Biology, Business Administration, Nursing
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