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[greasepaint]

OK, so a year from now, the Iraqi army is
somewhat better. So what?

Whenever I hear somethimg like,
'it's getting better',
my first reaction is that
some Rambo needs his ticket punched.

I've heard the same thing for three years.

my feeling is that the people of Iraq don't want
a 'prosperous, democratic Iraq'....
The people of Iraq, want the tribe they
belong to, to be the top dog.

Killing ten thousand 'terroists' means what?,
when there is a waiting list of a million.

Keep in mind that probably 98% of the
world's population wants Bush to fail.

[Me#1You#10]

Yes, I can see an end to the occupation...when their fledgling democracy becomes institutionalized and a large majority of the population fully embraces it.

But I was prepared for the plausibility of at least a generational commitment a long time ago...like we were advised to expect.

One more thing. We will still have an enormous commitment of armed forces in Iraq well into the next administration, be it democrat or republican. With the belligerancy and threat of Iran escalating, when push comes to shove in terms of force commitment, that administration will, in all liklihood, be reading from a different script than the posturing taking place in advance of the '08 election...and a 180 degree turn in American resolve is but ONE Islamo-fascist outrage away.

I think we can count on them for that.

[LewWaters]

I think your estimate of the world's population is a bit exaggerated.

I realize how frustrating it has become, but think of the alternative. What happens if we follow the mindset of the current Congressional majority? Of course Iraq goes into total chaos with Syria and Iran and Turkey jumping in for their ethnic groups. Al Qaeda and other loosely affiliated terrorist groups remain and set up new training camps with the luxury of all the oil revenues financing them.

Think about radical Jihadists desire to dominate the world. Think about 15 terrorist attacks against our interests, two within our own borders, since 1979. Think about how failure in Iraq will bring about failure in Afghanistan and anywhere else terrorism rears its ugly head. Think about the message being telegraphed to our enemies and even to our allies as the Democrat leaders broadcast we have already lost and there is no sense in fighting.

But, most of all, think about the small children that this war is going to be passed on to should we 'cut and run.'

Think about how we have shown the world we cannot be counted on to assist a struggling ally, as has been done before in the Bay of Pigs, Viet Nam, Lebanon, First Gulf War, Somalia and now, Iraq as well. What respect can we gain from the rest of the globe when we, the lone super power with the mightiest Military, cuts and runs every time the going gets a bit tough.

It is long past time someone stood up those radical Jihadists and saved Western Society. Unless, of course, we no longer wish to enjoy our freedoms.
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[streetsweeper95B]

Ahmen Lew!
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[Stevie]

hiding our heads in the sand didn't help in the past - they still came after us...over and over again. why expect them to stop now? when we scream at them how weak we are? (Murtha, Pelosi, Reid scream it)

Unfortunately, the spoiled generations are just not up to fighting for our freedom. They are too busy exercising their right to the freedoms they will be losing in the near future... I'm sure some of those far left radicals (like those 2 young college girls who have been on BOR and H and C) will make
valient attempts to SCREAM at the enemy, shove protest signs in their faces and file law suits against them. Good luck to 'em!

I did figure this thread (by topic line) meant our occupation by the far left.

They're still here.
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Stevie
Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should
be arrested, exiled or hanged.

[AMOS]

Same occupation circumstances as in post WWII Germany. History repeats itself........................AGAIN. Simple story.

For those that don't believe in the Iraq deal, read "America Alone" to find out what may be in store for the USA if a foothold is not maintained there.

[Wing Wiper]

Rome wasn't built in a day, and an Iraqi govenrment that will become an example for other middle eastern nations won't be either. Nobody should expect it to be. Hopefully, we're in this for the long haul. The fact that the totalitarian regimes in the neighborhood are taking such risks to try and stop us should tell you a lot.

[LewWaters]

[greasepaint]

thanks for everyone's comments.
....
It really bothers me that, getting the
US soldier off the street, is not Bush's top priority.

The greater Arab world will not tolerate
a cancer in one of its core countries.
As the enemy continues to mobilize,
sooner or later, enough resources will
be available for the enemy to topple
the 'constitutional gov't' in Bagdad.

Joe Biden has the only workable plan.
In a nutshell, set up three autonomous
regional sub-governments.

[streetsweeper95B]

[LewWaters]

First off, I don't trust in anything Biden says.

Secondly, partitioning Iraq along ethnic lines is a recipe for disaster. Not only would the fighting continue, other countries would enter. Turkey won't tolerate a separate Kurdish country from Iraq for fear it would inflame the seperatists within their own country. Sunni and Shia from other countries would also not stand for it and would join in fighting the respective groups.

Oil isn't spread across the nation and some would be left out, causing more fighting just for income.

Currently, Al Qaeda is inflaming the groups making sure to cause a civil war.

Biden's call for dividing the country is just another feel good "escape strategy."

More and more Iraqis are standing up and opposing the insurgents. Our Troops are begging for support from the American People and Congress to be allowed to finish their mission. They are not looking for a strict Military Solution to Iraq, just fighting to give the people the security to work out a solution for themselves, as other Democracies have done.

Biden and the rest just want an escape strategy to wash our hands of it with no regard of what happens afterwards, there or here.

The Senate voted for General Petraeus unanimously. The least they can do is give him the support and backing he deserves and the chance to accomplish what they sent him there for.

No matter how they package it, cut and run is still cut and run.
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[jalexson]

Americans who believe Iraqis support the violence don’t understand the situation. Iraqis are in the same situation as inner city black residents who fear turning in criminals, such as gang members, and don’t trust the police.

Iraqis are afraid to turn in those who use violence because of possible retaliation against them. They doubt the ability of the Americans or their own police to protect them.

The claim that Iraq’s problems require a political, social and economic solution ignores the fact that changes in these areas will not be possible if those who support violence are allowed to completely to control the situation.
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-- Mark Twain

[Deuce]

greasepaint,

Methinks it may be possible that you're a paid Congressional Apologist!
Wonder which of the 3 Iraq entities would get the Caliphate capital of Baghdad in Biden's plan? And if the Jihad were called off tomorrow, would there still be a need for a divided Iraq? Or to speculate further, perhaps Dingy Harry has already sent a negotiated surrender to Osama, thru Obama?...is a divided Iraq in Harry's 'surrender plan'?

I think Mark Steyn sed it best in his Chicago Sun Times article today(the aside is mine, tho'):

[Me#1You#10]

While I'm hardly convinced that this abominable legislation portends the abrogation of our commitment to the people of Iraq, I . am . ashamed again for my country.

Should we, however, ultimately abandon them to the chaos that will invariably ensue, I will take more than small comfort in the knowledge that Europe will move up a notch on the Islamo-fascist "to do" list.

P.S. Euroweenies...don't call us...we'll call you.

[dusty]

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