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[greasepaint]

news reports I read, seem to be
anecdotal accounts of US forces chasing
the VC out of this villiage or that neighborhood,
thus pacifying it.

keep in mind, an 'oil law' has not been adopted,
likewise, a reconciliation law, and a regional election law.

there is just no end

[Me#1You#10]

[LewWaters]

What too many fail to comprehend is that even if we stop fighting the Jihadists there, they have no intention of stopping their fight against us. This fight has been coming for decades and no president, regardless of party, could prevent it. The longer we keep putting it off the stronger and better organized the Jihadists become.
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[Me#1You#10]

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

[Navy wife]

I certainly agree with what Me#1 says, and I pull my hair trying to figure out how we can get through to people. Greasepaint, I received a long email from the son of a friend who is on his second tour in Ramadi and his email tells a totally different story than what you read in the papers. Here is just one paragraph:

[LewWaters]

For clarification, what I mean by no president could prevent their coming after us is that no matter who sits in the Oval Office, they decided long ago that America was their target, the Great Satan, as they call us. Finger pointing is meaningless today, it is here and we better be prepared.

Like #1 says, the gorilla is in the corner and he is coming, no matter what.

Perhaps it will take more 9/11's to wake people up that we are not dealing with reasonable people that can be reasoned with.
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[greasepaint]

what bothers me. is that two years ago,
I thought that by mid-2007, we would be a lot
farther along. i can't get a scope of the problem,
from individual stories of some local success.
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what we need to do is unscramble an egg.
Saddam moved people around. It would help
a lot, if people moved into 'safe' ethnic
areas. Unfortumetely, that would look
a lot like ethnic cleansing.
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my suggestion is to let the locals fight it out.
Get the US GI off the street. Reserve the use of
US military to prevent overthrow of the Iraqi
gov't, and protect infrasructure when possible.
We need to stop paying the enemy. When the
bad guys take over some province, let them pay for everything.
I wish Bush would stop
supplying $1.30 gasoline to the enemy.
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The Iraqi people are tribal. They don't want a representaive democracy.
They want, for their
tribe to be on the winning side.

[LewWaters]

[greasepaint]

documentation requested...first thing found,
gasoline 40 to 70 cents a gallon, Dec 2005.
NYTimes

more, as I find it.

this really pisses me off.
Bush is trying to buy friends, with my money.

this one is interesting
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13249
mentions 20 cents a gallon, after Saddam, but unknown date. also mentions Halliburton

this one, from 2004
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001949017_cheapgas06.html
30 KIA a month back then, now 100

from March 2007, a .PDF file , right side
page 11, which is page 13 of the reader.
72 cents a gallon
www.defenselink.mil/home/pdf/9010_March_2007_Final_Signed.pdf


edit/format long link> kate

[LewWaters]

This is “documentation?” Three and four year old articles from notorious leftwing biased sources?

Your first “documentation” from the New York Times is about the anger of the Iraqis at higher gas prices, tripled to cover Iraqi debt … two years ago! It also covers insurgent attacks on their oil reserves from insurgents, which raises prices.

Also mentioned is the gas price increase is also due from an agreement with the IMF (International Monetary Fund) for debts left over from Saddam’s regime.

Absolutely no mention of “Bush!”

Your second “source of documentation,” the one that “really pisses you off,” although written in 2006, is about events from 2003 to 2005. Due to the chaos that ensued after Saddam was ousted and in an effort to quell that chaotic time, the ridiculously low prices the Iraqis were used to under Saddam were kept, for a short time. Of course, I guess it would have been better to just raise all prices astronomically high right away and encourage the newly “liberated” Iraqis to fall for the Al Qaeda propaganda and join their forces against us, right? Ever hear of the “Marshall Plan” that kept Europe from falling into Communist hands after World War Two and got them back on their feet?

I seriously doubt that “your money” amounts to a minor pittance in overall costs. Of course, handing “your money” over to illegal immigrants violating the laws of “our country” is much better, right?

So, just what is it that “really pisses you off,” the fact that the administration didn’t force the then Iraqi government to shell out what it didn’t have to LOI, or is it because they cancelled contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Altanmia early? Surely the fact that insurgents, smugglers and other corrupt and criminal elements diverting and stealing short supplies of gas for Black Market operations wouldn’t affect you now, would it?

But, your original comment of “I wish Bush would stop supplying $1.30 gasoline to the enemy,” is most disturbing. If I didn’t know better, based on your subsequent comments, one might believe you consider the entire Iraqi people as “the enemy.” Otherwise, it is a real twist of logic that “Bush is supplying the enemy” by our efforts at stabilizing the country and the enemy elements have been intercepting and stealing some of those efforts for personal gain.

Here again, the article mentions they are paying much higher prices, like it or not, today.

Your third “three year-old” “source of documentation,” from the notoriously left leaning Seattle Times, echoes the rhetoric mentioned in the previous “source.” Again, would it be better to just have removed Saddam and given the country anarchy? To just allow Al Qaeda to move in right away and take over? Maybe if they allied themselves with Iran or Venezuela for oil and gas to make up their own shortcomings in refinery capabilities and damaged resources would please you?

I’m sure Hugo Chavez would like nothing more than to brag worldwide he now owns Iraq as well and will oust the US from there, while he too aligns himself with despots from Iran, North Korea and such.

Imagine, if you will, what really has been happening in war torn Iraq and the heavy opposition from the left, as the Kerry campaign sought to politicize it in 2004, repeating his efforts at bringing about failure in Viet Nam long ago. Reflect on the words of Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi’s words to protesters in June this year, “Instead of fighting with us, which is your right to do, let’s work together.”

Simply amazing that the entire left missed the epiphany in her words.

Your pdf "source" will require a bit more study on my part, but your outrage appears to be seriously misguided.
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[Navy wife]

And I'd like to add that apparently Greasepaint has not read the blogs I pointed him to so he could see how the attitudes of the Iraqi people are changing.

Where are you Greasepaint? I'd love a response to my posting!

[carpro]

[Navy wife]

Carpro, if we are going to survive as a nation, somehow we've got to find a way to make people like Greasepaint open his eyes to the truth.

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

You guys did a lot better than I at answering those silly comments. Once I saw those links, and the mention of "Halliburton" my eyes glazed over and I shook the dust off my shoes and left.

I've lost patience with these people who can't see what's happening. Whine, whine, whine about stupid little crap that is meaningless compared to what we have at stake.

If we don't win this, we die. Seems pretty freakin' simple to me.

The enemy has chosen the time and place to begin this "final jihad," but only an idiot will allow them to choose the outcome and the time and place for the finish.

I really do think you're right, Navy Wife - I think it's going to take a massive attack to wake us up. That's the saddest admission I've ever had to make about this country. We're as just plain stupid as a box of rocks.

All of us are going to have to suffer brutality and terror just because the vocal minority is managing to convince so many others that black is white and that wrong is right and that nothing is really something. Mountains out of molehills - as usual.

When they're kidnapping civilians and cutting heads off right here on American soil, maybe then they'll "get it."
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