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Me#1You#10
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 Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject: MN: Coleman/Franken still undecided |
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An amazing contest still ongoing in Minnesota...Coleman hanging on by 1000+ votes and 99%+change already reported...
http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20081104/ElecRslts.asp?M=S&R=all&P=A&Races=''
Perhaps one of the few brightspots in a dismal evening?
Undoubtedly there will be a recount no matter the outcome. The GOP should descend on Minnesota with an ARMY of fraud-savvy experts and examine EVERY vote to a fare-thee-well.
Perhaps there's another story to tell. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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Update...
CNN now shows Coleman up by 762 votes with returns still incomplete.
Interesting that CNN appears to be a step ahead of the Minnesota Secretary of State reporting.
Update: According to the MN SoS, returns now 100% complete with Coleman prevailing by 726 votes!!!!
How sweet it is.
P.S. While I can't stomach O'Reilly anymore, you might want to tune in the BOR radio program this afternoon at noon EST. The GLOATING over Franken's loss will be over-the-top delicious. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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I noted with some interest how the margin of victory for Coleman in his Minnesota senatorial race against Franken seemed to diminish with every "corrected" precinct tally. There may be something rotten going on in Minnesota...and the Powerline update (highlighted) is telling...
| Quote: | What's Happening In Minnesota?
Posted by John at 10:27 AM
November 7, 2008
When the polls closed Tuesday evening, Minnesota's Secretary of State's office showed that Norm Coleman had a 725-vote win in his closely contested race against Al Franken. By the next morning, however, Coleman's victory was already shrinking. As various precincts and county auditors have "corrected" their totals, Coleman's lead has dropped to a mere 237 votes. Minnesota Republicans are concerned that the fix may be in.
An example of the kind of thing now going on was reported in today's Minneapolis Star Tribune:
Just as Secretary of State Mark Ritchie was explaining to reporters the recount process in one of the narrowest elections in Minnesota history, an aide rushed in with news: Pine County's Partridge Township had revised its vote total upward -- another 100 votes for Democratic candidate Al Franken, putting him within .011 percentage points of Republican U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman.
The reason for the change? Exhausted county officials had accidentally entered 24 for Franken instead of 124 when the county's final votes were tallied at 5:25 Wednesday morning. Currently, the Minnesota Secretary of State's office shows the Franken's total in Partridge Township as 129, not 124. Still, the Partridge story is the most coherent explanation we've gotten so far as to why vote totals have repeatedly been adjusted to Franken's advantage.
Optical scan ballots are used nearly everywhere in Minnesota. The system is simple: once the polls close, absentee ballots are run through the machines with Republican and Democratic poll watchers both present. The machines are then locked down. The machine prints a tape that looks like a grocery store printout that summarizes the number of votes cast for each candidate in each race. At the same time, the totals are uploaded electronically, via a secure phone line connected to the box, to the county where the precinct is located; from there, they are reported to the Secretary of State. The tape showing the precinct's vote totals is signed by the precinct's election judge and is required to be publicly displayed.
There is essentially no human input here. There is no room for new ballots to be "discovered," or for counting "errors" to be corrected. The process is electronic. My understanding had been that optical scan voting is in use in every one of Minnesota's several thousand precincts. Based on the Strib's account of what happened in Partridge Township, it appears this may not be the case.
Some very basic questions need to be answered. What are the precincts that have allegedly "corrected" the vote totals they originally reported? On what basis were the alleged corrections made? Did both Republicans and Democrats participate in the alleged corrections? Have the original paper ballots been securely maintained since the polls closed? What assurances are in place to prevent Democrats from fraudulently adding new paper ballots? Do the precincts that have revised their vote totals use the optical scan system that is, as I understand it, nearly universal? If not, why not? If so, what do the ballot machines' tapes show? If the totals now being claimed are inconsistent with the tapes that were signed by the precinct's election judges, on what basis can they be accepted? Why is it that each "correction" seems to favor Franken?
The Coleman campaign has reportedly dispatched volunteers to try to guard the security of ballots in some locations. The danger, of course, is that they could already be too late. Minnesota's Secretary of State, a left-wing activist who was elected in 2006 after MoveOn.org and other nationwide groups targeted the Minnesota Secretary of State race, has yet to certify vote totals. If fraud is to be committed, it most likely has taken place already, or will occur before the recount begins.
UPDATE: Hot off the press, the first apparent evidence of fraud. Last night at around 7:30, a precinct in Mountain Iron, St. Louis County, mysteriously updated its vote total to add 100 new votes--all 100 for Barack Obama and Al Franken.
Mountain Iron uses optical scanning, so the Coleman campaign asked for a copy of the tape documenting the ballots cast on election night. St. Louis County responded by providing a tape that includes the newly-added 100 votes, and is dated November 2--the Sunday before the election. St. Louis County reportedly denies being able to produce the genuine tape from election night, even though Minnesota law, as I understand it, requires that tape to be signed by the election judges and publicly displayed.
Maybe there is some legitimate explanation for these events, but I haven't thought of one yet. More to come.
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As I was closely watching these county returns on Tuesday, St. Louis county was one of several counties (all Franken leaning, Hennepin being another) that were among the slowest in their reporting of returns.
Hmmmmm..... |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| If Franken and the Democrats succeed in stealing this seat, I hope Franken makes life as miserable for the Democrat leadership in the Senate as he has for the rest of the population all his life. They want him, they can have him. One more nail in the Republican coffin at this point won't matter. We need to be planning for the mid-term elections and boot as many Democrats and Rinos as possible then. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: |
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More from Powerline on some questions answered...and some not...
| Quote: | FURTHER UPDATE: The Minneapolis Star Tribune has this explanation:
Reporter Mark Brunswick has talked to election officials for Mt. Iron and the county, and here's what they say:The precinct officials called in the correct results on Election Night: 506 for Franken, 211 for Coleman. But the county incorrectly wrote down 406 for Franken, 211 for Coleman. And that's what was reported to the Minnesota Secretary of State's office.
Wednesday night, the Secretary of State website showed a 100-vote increase for Franken in Mt. Iron, Pct. 1.
The Coleman camp's Cullen Sheehan says the timestamp on the ballot machine's vote total reads: "11/02/2008? That's two days before the Nov. 4 election.
A county official told Brunswick that the machine's clock must be incorrect. When they tested a machine in Mt. Iron Pct. 2 in late October, running test ballots through to make sure the machine was working properly, it also showed an incorrect date on the printout. And the printout from that Pct. 2 machine in Mt. Iron on Election Night, when it printed out the final vote tallies that remain unchanged, also shows an incorrect timestamp of Oct. 31. Several of these assertions are subject to verification. One thing I don't understand is why local officials called the results in to St. Louis County, which then wrote them down by hand. Precinct 1 in Mountain Iron, according to the Minnesota Secretary of State's web site, uses an optical scanner. So the results should have been uploaded electronically to St. Louis County. Is there some reason why that system was not functioning? So far, I've seen no explanation. Also, the tape that was printed off the optical scanner after the polls closed on November 4 should have been signed by the election judges, both a Republican and a Democrat. Did this happen? Obviously, the tape that was given to the Coleman campaign wasn't signed. But somewhere there should be a Republican election judge who can shed light on what happened. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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It's heating up in Minnesota, and Powerline has already posted a Part 3 (part 2 linked below)...
| Quote: | "...the election seems to be in the process of being stolen."
What's happening in Minnesota? part 3
November 8, 2008
Posted by Scott at 2:56 PM
Coleman for Senate campaign manager Cullen Sheehan released the following statement today after it the perceived efforts of the Franken campaign and outside groups attempt improperly to influence canvassing process. The statement alludes to a "legal proceeding" of which I am not aware:"Not content to allow the recount process to move forward as prescribed by law, the Franken Campaign and its supporters are attempting a campaign of undue influence. The increasing questions about unexplained and improbable shifts in vote counts, coupled with Franken Campaign antics over the past 24 hours, compelled us to seek legal action to protect the rights of Minnesota voters. We had an election. Senator Coleman won. And we now must have a legal and transparent process conducted in the light of day - and that is our goal and intent.
"Late last night, after another unexplained shift in votes occurred when the Secretary of State's Office closed, new ballots have suddenly appeared from a heavily Democratic precinct. These ballots have been unsecure since the election, yet the Franken Campaign is demanding they be stuffed into the ballot box, attempting to change a vote count that was already finished. Minnesota election laws provide specific rules for reviewing and counting ballots. Today's legal proceeding is an effort to ensure that a transparent and orderly process be in place. The Franken Campaign should be joining us in this action, not seeking to push the process outside the bounds of the law." As I wrote this morning, the election seems to be in the process of being stolen.
JOHN adds: To help prevent the election from being stolen, if possible, please go here to contribute to the NRSC's effort to assure a legal recount process.
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Part 2 here. |
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