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scotty61 · LCDR Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 419 Location: Glyndon MN

The point, chofrok, is that he tried to infer that he served two tours in-country and that the medals were won over a longer period than 21 days. By doing so it made his service appear to be more inline with what conventional logic defined heroic. That was the upside, the downside is that now that little stretch allowed doubt to start and now he is in damage control. A situation avoided by being upfront. Dumb! Also dumb, is his method of damage control. By attacking the stations airing the ad and slandering other vets, he is creating more doubt about himself. The voter wonders why he is doing this instead responding to the charges. They begin to think that perphaps there is something to what the SBVFT is saying. Voters also respond poorly to a candidate who uses intimidation tactics. Just plain politically dumb.

For information on what happens to candidates who are politically dumb; see Gary Hart.

Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

d19thdoc · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:32 am Post subject:

Chofrock wrote:

Chofrock · Seaman Recruit Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 13

I am sorry, I just don't see this as an honorable thing.

Dragging yet another Vetrans combat record thru the mud just to inact some long deserved revenge.

Granted, Kerry's combat record might not be the best. Heck, there are probably vets on this board with a better record. But a persons combat record from 30 years ago does not define the person they are today.

I just don't see this as an honorable thing, and I think many Americans feel the same way. I know, you have seen lots of people coming here supporting your cause. I am sure there are probably lots of people like that. But you should also be aware of the other side. The people who are seeing Vietnam Vetrans for the first time in a negative light.

My main concern is for the youngest generation, who know very little about Vietnam Vets... What kind of impression is this giving them?

d19thdoc · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:14 pm Post subject:

Chofrock wrote:

Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

You GottaBeKidding · Rear Admiral Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 692

Maybe it will encourage the new generation to get on the web, do a little searching, find this web site, and do a little reading.......

How in the world do you think you can give someone an appropriate "impression" (whatever that might be) in 30 or 60 seconds, especially for a topic as complex as Vietnam vets? Sheesh!

flywithmike · Seaman Recruit Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 3

John Kerry and every democrat have made this the centerpiece of the campaign. It was brought out by Kerry. Dont we all have the right to review his credentials if he wants to lead this country. Are you saying that it is "OK TO LIE ON YOUR RESUME FOR PRESIDENT" This is truly insulting to all Americans. Kerry has nothing else to stand on but his record. I remember early in his campaign when he was not expected to be the front runner and no one knew his past, and all of a sudden he is out front, democrats had nothing on him except to say " OH HE IS A VIETNAM VET"
well this got played and played and played. Still today he has nothing except smoke and mirrors. SOMONE TELL ME WHAT HE STANDS FOR! I truly believe he is lying. Oh no one wants to call him that, why, because he is running for office? Oh I forgot he was a vietnam vet. This makes he perfect! I can not believe what our media is doing to PROTECT HIM WHY? If he is not the person to be trusted SAY SO! REPORT IT! Stop lying to the Americans.
Michael

Uisguex Jack · Rear Admiral Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 613

One of these partisans wrote this:

fortdixlover · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:03 pm Post subject:

The now-senator perjured himself in front of Congress claiming widespread atrocities by people he never served with, knew, or even confirmed had been in the military and/or in Vietnam.

He lied to Congress about how many S. Vietnamese might become victims of revenge by the Communists, costing millions their lives after we left. And who has never apologized for either.

In his 1971 testimony, Kerry told the Senate committee "they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war." These crimes, Kerry said, were "not isolated incidents, but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command."

... "So what I am saying is that yes, there will be some recrimination [i.e., murders of S. Vietnamese if we pull out] but far, far less than the 200,000 a year who are murdered by the United States of America."

FDL

d19thdoc · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:16 pm Post subject:

fortdixlover wrote:

Marine4life · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:16 pm Post subject:

D19thDOC, I have to correct you on the oath thing. He most certainly did take an oath before that testimony, the oath of a United States Commisioned Officer. So the I didn't take an oath before I lied to the Senate won't work here. Besides you inherantly are under oath when you testify before the Government or any legal agency in this country, when you know that your statements are testimony. I have seen a judge ask a question of an audience member in Court that was not under oath, it was entered as official testimony as part of the Court record. So the answer is YES he was under oath while he gave knowing testimony to the Senate. Semper Fi.
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Helicopter Marine Attack Squadron 169 which is now HMLA-169. They added Huey's to compliment the Cobra effectiveness. When I served we just had Snakes.

Chofrock · Seaman Recruit Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 13

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't he resign his commission before making that testimony?

I am no lawyer, (thank god for that) so I don't know if he was legally under oath at the time of his statements. Have all of his statements been proven to be lies? I have not seen any evidence to refute his claims, other than personal experiences. Not saying those experiences are invalid, but I don't think any one person experienced everything that went on in Vietnam.

I mean there are web sites disputing each and every claim in Moore's movie. Is there a similar website for Kerry's claims?

Me#1You#10 · Site Admin Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 6503

Chofrock...that's an interesting idea...perhaps those involved in debunking Moore might also be sympathetic to this effort.

Chofrock · Seaman Recruit Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 13

I would say the two camps have similar goals.