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JMF
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 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Polls - Anyone have an explanation?... |
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I will take a stab... I am not a fan of Kerry, nor a fan of Bush.
I am an independent who leans to the left a little bit.
| Quote: | | Regardless of your opinion on George Bush (I greatly admire him), we know he has made correct decisions based on intel information at the time - again, verifiable. |
I don't know if I agree with that. Powell and Rice were quoted in 2001
"Powell went further and said that Saddam Hussein had not been able to "build his military back up or to develop weapons of mass destruction" for "the last 10 years". America, he said, had been successful in keeping him "in a box".
Two months later, Condoleezza Rice also described a weak, divided and militarily defenceless Iraq. "Saddam does not control the northern part of the country," she said. "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."
| Quote: | | Why is it that we have, I don't know the correct word for it... I guess "self-hating Americans" who want to punish the nation by electing a U.N./France coddling ninny with a questionable reputation? |
They are not trying to punish anyone, they are going to do what they think is right for our country, just like you and me. We all have opinions on everything, but none of us are right about everything.
| Quote: | After 9-11 (the tragic event, not the Michael Moore piece of poop... though that was also a tragic event), there was this patriotic surge that I had hoped would continue... There was unity... There was pride...
How (and when) did it become fashionable to berate America and its Administration in mainstream America? I fully understand that is one of our greatest rights to have, but again, when did it become the "hip" thing to Bush-bash and America-bash at Starbuck's? |
You are right, I wish that sense of pride and unity stayed with America.
It changed with the War in Iraq.
We went into Afghanistan, and everyone was behind us. We were going after Osama as hard as we could. Then the focus shifted to Iraq and Sadam. That is when people started to get upset. We were working with the weapons inspectors, but that was not working out so we went to the UN knowing that they would not support the war and basically told them what we are going to do. That seemed like a pretty arrogant thing to do which upset a lot of people.
| Quote: | | Media is DEFINITELY left-slanted in this country - you don't have to be Columbo to figure that out - my question is WHY is it left-slanted? What is the left agenda (and, perhaps more on topic, what benefit will Kerry in office have for them?) |
That is a good question. I honestly have no idea. There is a left slant in the media, at least where I am.. I live in a pretty liberal area, so I assumed they were catering to their audience. |
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carpro
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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We're getting off track here folks. The only proper discussion of Iraq should be how Kerry would handle it. Everyone already knows what Bush is doing and he is not the subject of this forum.
Thank you.
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somewhereinthemiddle
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Polls - Anyone have an explanation?... |
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| 8Sons wrote: | | Quote: | How (and when) did it become fashionable to berate America and its Administration in mainstream America? I fully understand that is one of our greatest rights to have, but again, when did it become the "hip" thing to Bush-bash and America-bash at Starbuck's?
Media is DEFINITELY left-slanted in this country - you don't have to be Columbo to figure that out - my question is WHY is it left-slanted? What is the left agenda (and, perhaps more on topic, what benefit will Kerry in office have for them?) |
Money and Power. Since the beginning of time......... |
You don't think maybe they legitimately disagree with the priorities and direction of the Republican party?
Your point makes no sense. If the majority of the country disagrees with the left slant of the press, wouldn't they stand to make MORE money and have MORE power by leaning right? That's simple capitalist math. |
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somewhereinthemiddle
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Dwight Callaway wrote: | | Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | Have you read any of the recent analysis of the people who provide your news?
Liberal ideology has a grip on our media and a grip on our childrens' teachers. |
The explanation is because we have been sitting on our asses and letting it happen -- while -- John Kerry and Bill Clinton and their minions have been working constantly.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
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Oh, and I'd like to point out that this Burke quote came from a book in which he criticized the democratic revolution in France that was the foundation of the American revolution. The title is "Reflections on the Revolution in France", and in it he lamented the loss of monarchy in France in the context of his worry that it would spread to England. I.E. "evil men" were people who supported democracy and rule of the people over monarchical tyranny.
Know who you quote.
Oh, my 2 cents about the state of the country: the priorities of half the country are different than the other half. The appearance of fox news and talk radio helped make that clear, but that's a good thing because it was already like that. The next 50 years of American politics are going to be all about fighting for the 5-10% of the vote that's actually 'in play' on a year to year basis. The demographics of that middle can and will shift. Nobody really knows who they are this year. They could be veterans, they could be voting on iraq, they could be voting on gay marraige. Politics is a gamble.
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Scott
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Polls - Anyone have an explanation?... |
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| somewhereinthemiddle wrote: | | Your point makes no sense. If the majority of the country disagrees with the left slant of the press, wouldn't they stand to make MORE money and have MORE power by leaning right? That's simple capitalist math. |
You forgot one thing. They used to have a monopoly. So they could preach whatever they wanted, because there was no danger of being contradicted.
Talk radio and the Internet, especially blogs, have begun to change that.
Oh, and Fox News took just five years to pass CNN in the cable news ratings.
So they're being caught out more often. What do they do? Slant towards the right? Nope. They try to kill the messengers.
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Polls - Anyone have an explanation?... |
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| somewhereinthemiddle wrote: |
You don't think maybe they legitimately disagree with the priorities and direction of the Republican party? |
They can have any disagreements they choose. But when they take their personal ideologies and report it as hard NEWS, then it's no longer news, it's propaganda.
| Quote: | | Your point makes no sense. If the majority of the country disagrees with the left slant of the press, wouldn't they stand to make MORE money and have MORE power by leaning right? That's simple capitalist math. |
Heh heh heh.... I LOVE capitalist math. The viewers are voting with their remote controls. Seen the ratings for ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN & MSNBC as opposed to those for Fox?
The rest are in
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somewhereinthemiddle
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, capitalism IS great. So is the emergence of Fox News and talk radio.
But you have to be honest, and look at polling data. Just because more people who consume cable news tend to be conservative doesn't mean that the overall population leans more heavily toward the Republican party, it means that liberal people get their news from other sources. (NY times, Wpost, etc)
I get mine from C-Span.
The honest truth is that it's hard to say which way the country leans. We'll all find out Nov 2, tho. 
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| somewhereinthemiddle wrote: |
Know who you quote.
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Honestly, I don't give a rat's butt who said it first.
It's since been used as a caution against Nazi-ism and racism - both present in my lifetime, and therefore more meaningful to me.
Now, it's been used as a caution against leftism and Islamo-fascism.
Good enough for me.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Look at the recent Gallop poll at the top of this forum. Bush over Kerry 51% to 47%. That's a big change from a month ago.
I think it's mostly because of the Vets standing up for the truth, but no small part also is the fact that kerry is so full of holes, and he's told so many lies over the years, he can't even really remember the truth anymore. Every day it seems like a new kerry lie comes out. |
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Polls are not a perfect way to judge how people are going to act.
It has been shown time and time again that people would randomly pick an answer then check "I don't know."
A now famous research on polling involved a poll and one of the questions asked about Public Affairs act of 1975?
Everybody had an answer.
Problem as you guessed, the act does not exist.
Years later the "evil" New York Times  ran an aniversery poll with a question asking "what do you think of the repeal of the public affiars act of 1975?"
Every body still had an answer and many commented on Clinton or the Republicans..
Review the polling method as to who they are asking the questions and the method used.
And always remember Disrali
"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics" |
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C_Berry
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A little OT, but:
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Oh, and I'd like to point out that this Burke quote came from a book in which he criticized the democratic revolution in France that was the foundation of the American revolution. |
Say, what?? Last time I checked, the French Revolution started in 1789, with the Reign of Terror starting in 1793. A brief primer on the American Revolution shows that the general uprising started in 1776, hostilities ended in 1781, and the Treaty of Paris was signed in 1783. Work on the Constitution was completed by 1787 and adopted in 1789. Given those dates, can someone explain how the French Revolution was the basis of our Revolution? It is quite demonstrable that it was OUR Revolution was the basis for the French Revolution. Please get your facts straight.
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| The national news organizations are run from major cities that are predominatly liberal . The editors,writers,producers,of these organizations are also liberal and they set the tone for the national news. I am a New Yorker and life long democrate,who voted for Gore in 2000. At that time I felt free to speak about politics. I now strongly support GW Bush, and I keep my mouth shut,because I know the reaction I will get. |
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Just shows the educational level of the liberal elite. C. Berry, even if he votes for Kerry, has his history correct.
More than we can say for Kerry...... 
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Please believe me when I say this: I will NOT be voting for Kerry this November!!
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