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[gilliam]

Can someone tell me what a boston whaler is in reference to Vietnam? To me a boston whaler is a small rowboat.

[Mark]

I continue to believe that Kerry changing his Navy records, particularly if done after becoming a Senator, is an issue all voters can identify with.
If there is proof of two-three iterations of the Silver Star citation each glorifying more than the previous (like a single VC becoming a "numerically superior enemy") with the current one signed by John Lehman more than a dozen years later an ad demonstration would be compelling. Ditto if he changed his ACDU discharge from "to the Navy Reserve" to "to the Navy Reserve INACTIVE", particularly if there were differences in his commitments to periodic meetings/training.
While his testimony and other anti-war activities stink to those in this forum, I'm afraid the average American today just rationalizes those as his doing his best to stop an "unjust war".
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Retired USN Capt.; Market Time vicinity ChuLai 6/67-2/68; Maddox 8/64 Tonkin Gulf; NGFS I Corps 6-12/65; Saigon evac. 4/75.

[Redview]

OK,
IF the papers could be rewritten to apply for the medals,
(embelishing things) would Kerry or a CO be doing this?

Were there other papers HE filled out for medals he did not get?

If he filled out paperwork (which I understood he did for the purple hearts)
reporting injury, what all else did he need? Just his word?
Or, was it a commanding officer that said, "gee son I'm going to
write you up for a purple heart!" Who wrote up what?

I thought I heard that one of the stars was turned down, but was given years later. By who, and were they even around at the time he earned it? My question is, would there be records of any medals applied for but turned down?
Is there a place that clarifies this, or is it all fuzzy till he turns in form 180?

[Guammie]

Does anyone know why SECNAV Lehman signed the citation for one of Kerry's awards? He wasn't SECNAV until what, about 1980?

[The Ghost]

does anyone know if any of these papers could be for replacing the medals that he threw over the fence ??

[Herb]

[silenthunter]

Something else...

I haven't seen this on the boards yet, but that's likely an oversight on my part. I believe we should examine it and use it as the goldmine it is.

In "Unfit" the Cambodia fantasy-lie is exposed. That chapter (3) also tells of an interview Kerry gave with the Boston Herald (I think).

In that interview, Kerry is quoted with an embellishment that isn't in the Congressional Record account. This embellishment is extraordinarily important, however, and it is also an extraordinary comfort to those of us who still love and honor this country as it was originally defined.

(I believe the interview was with the reporter whose name starts with a "K" and who is now the lapdog du jour of the DNC, writing stuff for them as well)

Kerry, in the interview, repeats basically the verbatim spiel about how horrid his Christmas was, Santa never showed up and all that. He adds that it was that event, "seared" into his "you bet I inhaled" memory, that broke his little heart and turned his innocent schoolboy faith to one that doubted pronouncements made by his gummint.

But he also said (and look this up, this is from memory and not a word-for-word quote) something along the lines that when Richard Nixon lied to the nation about Americans being in Cambodia on Christmas of 1968" it changed him. He repeats this, I believe, during the article. He likely repeated it elsewhere in his snakish little life, but I don't know where.

He clearly and definitively mentions America being lied to by the President of the United States, that Richard Nixon specifically lied to the American people (and broke lil' Johnny's heart) about there being no Americans in Cambodia in '68.

Here's the two-part balm: 1) Christmas 1968 was 26 days before Richard M. Nixon was inaugurated as President (little time warp there, Johnny) and 2) if Nixon had been President and if Nixon had made that statement it would have been true because Kerry was never there!! Even for broiled monkey on a stick!!!

Easy exposure! Easy lie! Could be done with written fade-ins coming up under the written and simultaneously spoken claims about RMN.

Kerry is not the brightest bulb in the box. He's managed. He does not think, period. He does what he's told--he just doesn't listen very well, apparently. Like in a firefight (which I do not presume to say I was ever in), you just yell "KERRY!" and he'll pop up like a cheap internet ad and say, "Huh?" and you shoot his ass! Easy target! He's a dope!

Did he graduate from Yale? Yup. Did he graduate from Yale with a low "C" average? Yup. Not the brightest bulb.

Thank you for the assist, DNC!!

Gosh, I love this war!
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R.E. Gleason, YN2
Navy '67-'71
Staff, Rear Admiral James D. Ramage,
COMCARDIV7, '70-'71
USS Oriskany, CVA34, '69-'71

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it won't be needed until someone tries to take it away." -- Thomas Jefferson

[frankzzz]

The media now accepts the fact that he lied about Christmas in Cambodia but I think they will give him a pass on it unless they hear another lie about his service (before they forget this one).

So I think it’s time to back off the attack on his decorations and go directly after him for the damning lies he told before congress.

The good thing about the “war crimes” and “atrocities” lies is that there is actual film footage of him telling them.

One hard-hitting technique might be to simply play cuts of Kerry's testimony and each time he uses a phrase such as “war crimes” or “wires to the genitals”, punctuate it with a quick cut to the footage of Ted Kennedy saying the exact same words and holding up one of his glossy, hard-backed pictures of the Abu Ghraib prison guards. Since this is still very fresh in the public’s mind, they will get a clear understanding of just how serious Kerry’s accusations really are.

Perhaps you could close such a piece by cutting to a scene that includes a diverse group of very-serious-looking Vietnam veterans looking into the camera while, in the background, a voice says: If Mister Kerry committed war crimes and atrocities, he deserves the same treatment the Abu Ghraib prison guards are getting and, if he didn’t, isn’t it about time he apologized for turning an entire generation against us with his lies? Please, Mister Kerry, tell the truth.

[iggit]

[Herb]

[JT8D]

[stop kerry]

The next ad should challenge Kerry and his 13 'devoted ' followers to a live national debate on whatever TV or cable station you could get (FOX??). On one side is the 13 vrs. the 240/swiftboat veterans against his being CIC/President. Who would referee Yea yea I know I'm dreaming but if it happened the USA would see the depth and breath of the those who oppose him and were there as Swifties . His credability would go to zero IF you could have a FAIR debate on the Navy records and John O'Neill's factual book "Unfit for Command". I saw Brit Hume today on Fox defending John's book saying something like 'it was a book that should be more widely and seriously covered because of how well it's written and networks are not paying attention to it compared to what was covered about Bush's national guard records' Of course left wing Cris Wallace looked shocked that Bret was angry

[Son Of The Godfather]

I'd like the next ad to directly counter the objections to the first ad:

"We are made up of Republicans, Democrats, and Independents who all believe the same thing - John Kerry is not fit to lead this great nation."

"As a 527, we are not affiliated with, nor do we have contact with the GOP."

"In defference to Senator McCain, we believe the record of John Kerry, a record he has used to promote his worthiness as CiC, is pertinent. Character is pertinent. Truth is pertinent."

"Folks at MoveOn.org have stinky armpits."

(OK, maybe not the last one).

SOTG
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[Molon Labe]

When referring to Kerry's PH wounds as "self-inflicted", you should avoid giving the impression that he inflicted the wounds on himself *intentionally*. That is not supported by the facts and is an overreach. The term should be qualified or explained.

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