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integritycounts
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 Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:40 am Post subject: Max Cleland |
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When Chris Matthews asked Max Cleland on Hardball tonight " Why are all these 250 Swift boat Veterans so mad at John Kerry to want to go through and do all this?" (Paraphrased as best from memory.)
Clelands' response was " I don't know"
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Let me help you Max...John Kerry went in front of the American people on Television and in front of Congress asserting that some 3 million Soldiers of America who served in Vietnam, committed war crimes comparable to Genghis Khan.
He wrote a book called "The New Soldier" that trashed Veterans again.
and there is so much more.
It might just have something to do with insulting so many, with so many lies.
Dear Max...perhaps you would like to buy a vowel or something...Matthews' question was not that hard. |
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Chuck54
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| Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:52 am Post subject: Re: Max Cleland |
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| integritycounts wrote: | When Chris Matthews asked Max Cleland on Hardball tonight " Why are all these 250 Swift boat Veterans so mad at John Kerry to want to go through and do all this?" (Paraphrased as best from memory.)
Clelands' response was " I don't know"
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Let me help you Max...John Kerry went in front of the American people on Television and in front of Congress asserting that some 3 million Soldiers of America who served in Vietnam, committed war crimes comparable to Genghis Khan.
He wrote a book called "The New Soldier" that trashed Veterans again.
and there is so much more.
It might just have something to do with insulting so many, with so many lies.
Dear Max...perhaps you would like to buy a vowel or something...Matthews' question was not that hard. |
Chrissie is so freaking moronic...his dim bias has put blinders on him.
If the swifties were as small a group as Kerry vet supporters than they could be readily dismissed. But 250? Signing an affadavit? Risking their reputations and all that goes with it?
That is why it doesn't matter if the MSM spins the story. Only that they cover the story. Once the general public finds out that 250 vets comprise the group, they will all be asking the question of why and their curiosity will lead to Kerry's doom.
This battle is a long time coming. In this regard I am glad that Kerry is the candidate so the swifties can have this fight and purge our great country of the sewage that was the VVAW.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:58 am Post subject: |
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kmudd,
Thanks! To good not to post:
| Quote: | Setting the Record Straight on Max Cleland and Patriotism
by Luke Boggs
Posted Aug 10, 2004
Max Cleland has become a much bigger star in defeat than he ever was as a sitting U.S. senator.
Fact is, Cleland didn't make much news during his single, unremarkable senate term. But two years after Georgia voters soundly rebuffed his re-election bid, Cleland has become a Democratic media dynamo, even to the point of introducing John Kerry at last month's Democratic convention.
So what happened? Out of office and with apparently little else to do, the career politician campaigned early and often for Kerry. He appeared frequently as a Kerry surrogate on TV and was always at the candidate's side on winning primary nights.
This summer, Cleland is starring in an anti-Iraq War documentary, "Strong at the Broken Places." In the film, Cleland, who lost an arm and both legs in Vietnam, talks to wounded soldiers and the families of the dead. He rips the current war as "misguided" and "another Vietnam."
Most importantly, however, Cleland is the star of a Democratic political tale retold by everyone from Bill Clinton to Al Gore to Terry McAuliffe. Kerry summed up the story, saying he "continues to be motivated" by "the most craven moment I've ever seen in politics: when the Republican Party challenged [Cleland's] patriotism in the last campaign."
Trouble is, the story isn't true. But that hasn't kept it from achieving folklore status among Democrats and their press parrots.
Then-U.S. Rep. Saxby Chambliss didn't question Cleland's patriotism in 2002. He questioned Cleland's senate voting record, particularly his votes on national security.
Though he voted with his liberal Democratic leaders 87 percent of the time, Cleland was hardly the most liberal senator around. (That honor was Kerry's.) Still, Cleland was not the strongest supporter of either the Defense Department or the nascent war on terror.
Specifically, Chambliss slammed Cleland's 1997 vote on an amendment to a chemical weapons treaty that would have allowed citizens of terrorism-sponsoring countries to participate in international enforcement inspections. It was a dopey idea - and Chambliss criticized Cleland for thinking otherwise.
Chambliss also objected to Cleland's 11 votes against President Bush's effort to create the Department of Homeland Security. Rather than support the new anti-terror department, Cleland chose to stick up for his union buddies, who didn't like aspects of Bush's bill.
Chambliss ran some tough TV spots on Cleland's voting record. In response, the incumbent did little more than whine about how his patriotism had been questioned. Even though it hadn't.
The folk story went national when liberal columnist Mark Shields picked up the Cleland line and indignantly complained about how Chambliss could dare question the patriotism of a man who lost three limbs in Vietnam.
On Election Day 2002, Georgians picked Chambliss over Cleland, 54 to 46 percent. Surely voters would not have been so kind to Chambliss had he really "questioned the patriotism" of a man who sacrificed as dearly as Cleland did in Vietnam.
So why does Kerry keep repeating the claim? In general, Democrats love depicting themselves as innocent victims of Republican attacks. Even the Clintons, after all, blamed their troubles on a "vast, right-wing conspiracy," not their own shady doings and Bill's runaway libido.
More specifically, the Cleland folk story is a bid to put Kerry's dovish voting record off-limits to criticism. If you're wondering, he voted against nearly every major US weapons system and supported deep cuts in intelligence spending. He was also on the wrong side of the Cold War, opposing Ronald Reagan's successful peace-through-strength approach at every turn.
Kerry's voting record is more than fair game. No less Democratic icon than John F. Kennedy ripped the defense record of Dwight Eisenhower while running against Ike's vice president, Richard Nixon, in 1960. Eisenhower's war hero status didn't give Kennedy pause in claiming Eisenhower had allowed a "missile gap" to develop between the US and the Soviet Union. And Kerry's Vietnam service shouldn't keep Republicans from highlighting his weak foreign policy record.
For his part, Cleland says Iraq is this generation's Vietnam, but there are far more differences than similarities. What the two conflicts share, if anything, is a committed minority of anti-war partisans who will say or do anything to discredit the war effort. Including lie about the circumstances of Max Cleland's defeat.
If Cleland wants to keep running down the current struggle to liberate Iraq, he might start with a nice long diatribe in his mirror - and then turn his ire on the Democratic ticket. In October 2002, Cleland voted to authorize the war, along with John Kerry and John Edwards.
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stop kerry
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:40 am Post subject: |
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Is it true Cleland never received a purple heart for his wounds because they were not from the enemy-and were self inflicted  if true how can he stand to be a supporter of kerry who by his own admission never lost a day of combat after receiving 3 PH's  |
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| stop kerry wrote: | | Is it true Cleland never received a purple heart for his wounds because they were not from the enemy-and were self inflicted if true how can he stand to be a supporter of kerry who by his own admission never lost a day of combat after receiving 3 PH's |
As I recall, he was injured picking up a grenade that he thought he had dropped. The grenade, in fact, had belonged to another US soldier, and the grenade exploded, resulting in his injuries. |
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| stop kerry wrote: | | Is it true Cleland never received a purple heart for his wounds because they were not from the enemy-and were self inflicted if true how can he stand to be a supporter of kerry who by his own admission never lost a day of combat after receiving 3 PH's |
"self-inflicted" meaning accidental. He picked up a U.S. grenade that exploded.
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I don't like to pick on a triple amputee...but...his word carrys no more credibility just because of his injuries.
The left likes to manufacture "war heros" when they can...and glorify draft dodging Clinton when they must. I bet they put butter on both sides of their bread. 
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Sun Tzu
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 4:35 am Post subject: Re: Max Cleland |
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Isn't Cleland the guy that dropped a grenade on himself...while on the way to drink beer with his buddies?
And yes...I'm 100% serious. |
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I've had debates about cleland on other forums and the general consensus was that Cleland got "fragged" by a fellow soldier by accident. Coming out of Huey, grenade came loose, dropped to the ground, cleland picks it up and it goes of on him.
Cleland is Still an ***hole though  |
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P. Aaron
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Max Cleland |
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| Sun Tzu wrote: | Isn't Cleland the guy that dropped a grenade on himself...while on the way to drink beer with his buddies?
And yes...I'm 100% serious. |
The lovely Ann Coulter recounts the story...
http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2004/021804e.htm
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:00 pm Post subject: Chris Matthews |
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HE gives me a lot of hope.
Why?
Because in the interview with Malken yesterday, she said he had
not even read the book.
There is only one, and I mean one reason for this.
He is afraid to.
Don' t tell me he can't get anything he wants at the snap of his famous lit fingers.
Don't tell me he has looked high and low and can't find it.
Don't tell me he has been to busy, heck he could probably have some
underling read the dang thing to him outloud.
He is AFRAID to look, nothing else makes any logical sense. |
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