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[kintzele]

John Kerry is a life-long politician and knows better than most how to play the sympathy cards. Look for an apology sometime either right before or right after the convention. He will atempt to get the high ground. The only apology accepted should be his resignation from the presidential race.
Please !! don't let him make a plus of his cowardice.
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James R Kintzele
Vietnam Vet 12-31-65 to 12-31-66
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[d19thdoc]

Any "apology" needs to have four elements - and as a "good" Catholic, Kerry should know this: 1) specify what you have done wrong; 2) express regret for having done it; 3) promise to never do anything like it again; and, 4) make amends to those you may have harmed.

If Kerry ever says anything like it, it will most likely be element #2 alone, and it will be self-serving and vacuous, meant only for his own PR aggrandizement. A typical example is his already uttered nonsense about his infamous testimony: poor word choices ("murderers"), and being "over the top" (a self-serving euphemism for "lie"). Remember how Jane Fonda "apologized" to Nam vets. She was sorry, not for anything she had done, but because it was hurtful to some - like they were just too thin skinned and that was their fault!

He also likes to trot out the "I was young and foolish" crap. A 27 year old Yale graduate, veteran of combat as an officer in the Navy, married, a world-travelled son of privilege and extensive, expensive education. I'm sure he told the voters of that Massachusetts Congressional District in 1972 that he was just a dumb kid.

This stuff also has been an element of every political campaign he has waged since then. He's had plenty of chances to "apologize."

It's too late. Too many guys have dirt in their ears now to hear him.
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For The Honor of the Fifty-Eight Thousand.
"He Can Lose, But He Can Not Hide"

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[air_vet]

Candidate Kerry hasn't played that "apology" card for 20 years. I doubt he can even find it now!

[Wing Wiper]

"It was like they were celebrating our deaths. "
Oh, they were, and never forget that. Neither one have any respect for us today, either, they just want our stupid, drunken red-neck vote. And we all know it.

[LewWaters]

Something to remember on this apology, if it ever comes. He claims to have been am angry young man and has expressed regret his words were over the top, or something like that, already. However, as experessed by another poster recently, how can he now claim to have been an effective war hero when he was even younger?

If anything, he'll say something like, I regret my words hurt some of the people, and play the angry youth card. Don't let him get away with it.

Of course, with is arrogance, we may never see anything cloely resembling an apology either. He's already said he still stands by those words so long ago.
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Clark County Conservative

[Alpha924]

this guy is, someone that makes up his own world, boarderline insane.

IF he attempted an apology it would be a LIE, and not even he would believe it.

I however, am not completely cold and heartless (for a butcher, and baby killer (according to kerry) IF he were to beg the forgiveness of us Nam Vets I might be able to oblige him right after I forgive Hanoi jane, and I have committed to do that sometime after all the Jews forgive Hitler. I promise.

MGB
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Proud dad of a US Marine serving in Iraq

[Paul]

"If Kerry ever says anything like it, it will most likely be element #2 alone[express regret for having done it], and it will be self-serving and vacuous, meant only for his own PR aggrandizement. A typical example is his already uttered nonsense about his infamous testimony: poor word choices ("murderers"), and being "over the top" (a self-serving euphemism for "lie"). Remember how Jane Fonda "apologized" to Nam vets. She was sorry, not for anything she had done, but because it was hurtful to some - like they were just too thin skinned and that was their fault!"

Exactly. These things are outrageous and becoming all too common.
Too many so-called "apologies" are like this these days.

'I'm sorry for how it might have made you feel' kind of rubbish. . . And this was precisely Jane Fonda's non-apology "apology" as well.

To be honest, from what I've seen and heard from John Kerry, then I'd be surprised even to see something as worthless as even this from him.

John Kerry is literally everything at the same time. He holds to the claims of atrocities that he made in the congressional hearings while simultaneously babbling about being proud of his service (raping, pillaging, carrying on like a nomad hun under Ghengis Khan????). . .

And all of that has since become enshrined in American pop culture: novels (some now required reading in our nation's naval and military acadamies today!), movies, history courses from junior high schools through universities, the "war stories" of the many phony vets who were never Vets at all, the phony Vietnam Vets who were Vets but never in Vietnam. Then there's the real phony beauts like Professor Ellis, a Vet but not a Vietnam Vet, which he claimed to be for years as he taught his college history courses on the Vietnam War. And in Ellis' case, Ellis was even a phony war protestor VVAW vet since he'd never been part of the anti-War Movement but claimed to have been in it from the start in his courses as well. . . Amazing.

Sheesh. . . John Kerry as puppet of his famous mentors and all the sorry Hanoi puppets who repeated his lies while stupidly calling others "puppets" helped to create this shabby sticking mess including all of the shabby imitators ever since. . . John Kerry helped to make the Loser Image of the haunted Vietnam Vet popular and one reason in our current society populated by individuals so few of whom have ever served in our armed forces or even had a close acquaintance who served, it's easy to pretend to have been a Vet. . . Just buy a second-hand field jacket or foul weather jacket and act like a loser and an amazing number will believe whatever nonsense one spouts!

Let's face it, this whole rotten crowd helped to so pollute our nation that a draft dodger was elected and then re-elected President whose damage is still ongoing and who gave credence to north Vietnamese propaganda in his '99 speech at the university in Hanoi.

Geez. If John Kerry comes up with the standard, "I'm sorry how it might have made anyone feel" rubbish, then to hell with Senator Kerry.

Actually, to hell with him even if he doesn't. Let him stay in MA, they had the low standards and lack of any trace of self dignity or pride to elect him Senator in the first place and keep re-electing him. Let them keep him. That's a bad enough influence the Commonwealth has imposed upon the rest of us across the nation and enough of Kerry's bad and poisonous influences. More than enough and too much by itself in fact.
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Paul

[SwanLady]

If you're waiting for Kerry to give a genuine apology, don't hold your breath! If I were to diagnose him (and this would be hard to do without sitting down with him, but not totally impossible) I would say he is classic NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder). He fits a majority of the criteria, based upon his past history and present behavior. And one thing abour the Narcissist is that he NEVER apologizes. It's always "everyone else's fault".

[Wing Wiper]

SwanLady I hopr you're right, I don't want an apology, and if he doesn't make one it hurts him and helps us. I'd rather see him resign. He can owe me the apology, I won't charge any interest.

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