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Me#1You#10
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for the American people. Can they POSSIBLY discount this?
| Quote: | November 12, 1971
Declassified FBI documents identified John Kerry as having attended a VVAW meeting in Kansas City, Misouri in the house of one of the members. Scot Camil , VVAW Regional Coordinator from Florida was running the meeting. Camil proposed the establishment of "readiness groups" of the "Phoenix type."
VVAW secretly voted on a proposal to kill six pro-war senators, including Republican Strom Thurmond of South Carolina and Democrat John Stennis of Mississippi.
Gerald Nicosia, the historian, told the New York Sun that “Camil was deadly serious, brilliant and highly logical.” In his book he reports that “what Camil sketched was so explosive that the coordinators feared lest government agents even hear of it,” so they moved their meeting to a Mennonite hall.
There, according to six eyewitnesses interviewed by the Sun, the plan was discussed and voted down, with Mr. Kerry speaking out against it, although there is disagreement about how narrow the margin of defeat was. On the third day of the meeting, Mr. Kerry and three others resigned from their posts as national coordinators of VVAW. Historian Douglas Brinkley says Mr. Kerry told him he quit because of “personality conflicts and differences in political philosophy.” Mr. Kerry also told Mr. Brinkley that he was a “no show” in Kansas City.
Kerry later told two historians, Gerald Nicosia and Douglas Brinkley, that he was not there and that he had resigned from the organization before the meeting was held. In March 2004, reliable witnesses came forward and placed John Kerry at the meeting. In 2004, FBI files emerged establishing Kerry’s presence in Kansas City. His campaign conceded that Kerry somehow must have forgotten his involvement in the plot to assassinate U.S. senators while still on the executive committee of the VVAW. |
Beam me up Scotty.... |
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Beatrice1000
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:50 am Post subject: Re: What should be a dealbreaker... |
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| Me#1You#10 wrote: | | for the American people. Can they POSSIBLY discount this? |
Wow - thanks! |
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:54 am Post subject: Re: What should be a dealbreaker... |
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| Beatrice1000 wrote: |
Wow - thanks! |
It's been common knowledge for sometime Beatrice. It still staggers my mind every time I consider that THIS is what's being offered up as a candidate for POTUS. |
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Beatrice1000
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 10:23 am Post subject: Re: What should be a dealbreaker... |
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| Me#1You#10 wrote: | | ...It still staggers my mind every time I consider that THIS is what's being offered up as a candidate for POTUS. |
Yes, I had heard arguments about this meeting, but had not read it before.. I always like to see actual documents. As to this candidate -- being offered in the first place was irresponsible and that was certainly bad enough -- but fighting for him now, with the stakes so high, is a madness of some kind. |
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napnip
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It simply boggles my mind how some people can swear allegiance to a traitorous piece of garbage like Kerry. Of course you know what Kerry would/will/has said regarding this:
"But I voted against the assassination plot! Doesn't that count for something?"
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rb325th
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It should be a deal breaker, but surprisingly none of the MSM has made an issue of this and I wonder how many people actualy have even heard about this.
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Wing Wiper
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| Quote: | | I wonder how many people actualy have even heard about this. |
Maybe somebody should tell them. I wonder who?  |
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fanningp
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Where is the actual Document that supports this? I know that the swifties have a ton (3 CD's worth) of FBI docs on this website. Is this buried within the 22000 pages of that stuff?
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| fanningp wrote: | | Where is the actual Document that supports this? I know that the swifties have a ton (3 CD's worth) of FBI docs on this website. Is this buried within the 22000 pages of that stuff? |
Kerry was placed at the meeting both by eyewitness statements and by FBI surveillance. It was also grudgingly acknowledged by his own campaign when the lie he had concocted fell apart with the FBI file revelations.
Perhaps someone can point you to the specific FBI document at wintersoldier.com if it hasn't been highlighted already.
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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www.wintersoldier.com has hundreds of pages of scans on FBI reports and notes about VVAW on it's web site, but they are clumped together chronologicially, so it might not be too difficult to find. (Unless its in the middle of one of the 200-page bundles.)
Someone posted the URL for all that FBI data a couple of days ago and normally, I'd have been really into it, but this board keeps me too busy to do any real poking around of my own any more.
Maybe they'll post it again, for us?
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Bostonian
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Kerry initially claimed he was not at that meeting.
Later, he acknowledged that he probably was, but does not remember the conversation.
Yeah, right. Like anyone's going to forget a discussion about assassinating senators. |
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| fanningp raises a fair point however. All these allegations must be documented and sourced with links if possible. I assume they are included in "Unfit For Command" |
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